Columbus ranked the highest among Ohio cities for attracting college grads:
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2010/07/19/daily27.html?ana=e_du_pub





Columbus ranked the highest among Ohio cities for attracting college grads:
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2010/07/19/daily27.html?ana=e_du_pub
For having the largest University in the United States, and having the second most number of college students in the country, and now being ranked 9th for attracting college graduates...one word. Wow!
That's some good stuff right there.
I thought there was a brain drain. I thought we needed to worry about this brain drain. Now we will have to worry about the lack of a brain drain. sigh.
That's good, but considering that A) Cincy somehow fell from 9th to 23rd in a year, and B)Dayton and Cleveland and DC are high on the list too makes me take it with a grain of salt. Not to knock those cities, but they don't strike me as great place to live. Especially DC.
How did Dayton end up on that list? Cincy makes sense, sort of, but they must be talking about a different Dayton. Or else they weighted their report heavily in favor of cost of living, in which case, I can also see how Cleveland made it onto that list. It certainly isn't for significant economic opportunities in these places.
Texas meanwhile continues to thrive, I see. But Big Oil is all that stands between them and the process of becoming the southern equivalent of post-auto Michigan. Better make your money down there while you still can.
NEOBuckeye wrote >>
How did Dayton end up on that list? Cincy makes sense, sort of, but they must be talking about a different Dayton. Or else they weighted their report heavily in favor of cost of living, in which case, I can also see how Cleveland made it onto that list.
Texas meanwhile continues to thrive, I see. But Big Oil is all that stands between them and the process of becoming the southern equivalent of post-auto Michigan. Better make your money down there while you still can.
If you read the article or the report, Cleveland has the highest cost-of-living of any of the Ohio cities mentioned. So that definitely is not the reason.
anillo wrote >>
That's good, but considering that A) Cincy somehow fell from 9th to 23rd in a year, and B)Dayton and Cleveland and DC are high on the list too makes me take it with a grain of salt. Not to knock those cities, but they don't strike me as great place to live. Especially DC.
Haven't heard much good about DC, but seems like a lot of people are headed there for jobs:
DC has thriving urban neighborhoods with lots of street activity. It is expensive, but has great brownstones, restaurants of every ethnicity, bars, lounges, independent retail stores, interesting residents, and definitely a city vibe on and off the streets. It has a great subway system and great taxi service (cheap by Columbus standards); no need for a car. Tons of excellent museums (art, jewish, smithsonian) , the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, several well-respected universities, etc. etc., etc. The Dupont Circle area is particularly attractive, along with residential areas off of Connecticut Avenue, Massachusetts Avenue and, of course the Georgetown area.
Agree w/ ja. The DuPont Circle area is now a "victim" of its own success with housing prices. The farmer's market there on weekends is phenomenal, being able to draw from both the mountains to the West and the Bay.
In line with the conversation on another thread, the Tabard Inn is an example of a boutique hotel whose bar/restaurant actually draws locals.
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Once you get past the monuments and touristy sights and into the real neighborhoods, DC is a very cool, urban and walkable city. They also have great passenger rail service....sigh.
Andrew Hall wrote >>
Agree w/ ja. The DuPont Circle area is now a "victim" of its own success with housing prices. The farmer's market there on weekends is phenomenal, being able to draw from both the mountains to the West and the Bay.
In line with the conversation on another thread, the Tabard Inn is an example of a boutique hotel whose bar/restaurant actually draws locals.
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DuPont Circle is The Short North (but in DC and not C-bus).
Columbus may not be able to compete with D.C., but it can certainly emulate that which works in D.C. and might work in Columbus. It starts with transportation and the cultivation of neighborhoods connected by mass transit, neighbors that are built on and foster creativity and creative people.
Granted, it's very, very imperfect; but the energy and concentration of ambitious young professionals from all walks of life makes Washington a wonderful model for what a modern American city could be.
MichaelC wrote >>
Columbus may not be able to compete with D.C., but it can certainly emulate that which works in D.C. and might work in Columbus. It starts with transportation and the cultivation of neighborhoods connected by mass transit, neighbors that are built on and foster creativity and creative people.
Granted, it's very, very imperfect; but the energy and concentration of ambitious young professionals from all walks of life makes Washington a wonderful model for what a modern American city could be.
I can't say that I view DC as even a partially legitimate model of comparison for Columbus, or really any other American city. It is the national capital and seat of US federal government, and so is completely unique in design and structure. You have embassies, federal agencies, sprawling national monuments and museums, and military and security headquarters based there and contributing to the local flavor and culture of DC in ways that Columbus can never know.
For this reason, I think it's useless to even try and begin to compare ourselves with DC. We can certainly aim to establish a system of mass transit, encourage more high density development and nurture the emergence of additional culturally thriving neighborhoods here, but we will get there by taking a very different path than what DC has.
rus wrote >>
anillo wrote >>
That's good, but considering that A) Cincy somehow fell from 9th to 23rd in a year, and B)Dayton and Cleveland and DC are high on the list too makes me take it with a grain of salt. Not to knock those cities, but they don't strike me as great place to live. Especially DC.Haven't heard much good about DC, but seems like a lot of people are headed there for jobs:
http://www.citytowninfo.com/career-and-education-news/articles/thousands-of-entry-level-job-seekers-flock-to-washington-dc-for-federal-jobs-10071901
Likewise, high unemployment and the difficulty of finding a post-college job may be sending a lot of grads back to their parents' houses in Cleveland. I love Cleveland, but it hardly seems like a talent magnet right now.
NEOBuckeye wrote >>
Texas meanwhile continues to thrive, I see. But Big Oil is all that stands between them and the process of becoming the southern equivalent of post-auto Michigan. Better make your money down there while you still can.
I'm originally from Dallas, lived here for 3 years. Trust me, the job market down there is strong and will remain strong, and it's got nothing to do with Big Oil. Oil died out down there 20 years ago and gave way to natural gas; it's all tech jobs now.
East13th wrote >>
NEOBuckeye wrote >>
Texas meanwhile continues to thrive, I see. But Big Oil is all that stands between them and the process of becoming the southern equivalent of post-auto Michigan. Better make your money down there while you still can.I'm originally from Dallas, lived here for 3 years. Trust me, the job market down there is strong and will remain strong, and it's got nothing to do with Big Oil. Oil died out down there 20 years ago and gave way to natural gas; it's all tech jobs now.
a collapse of oil would hurt Houston and places like Corpus and Beaumont. that could in turn hurt the whole state like it did in the mid to late 80s. but you're right, in places like Dallas, Austin and San Antonio it would be but a dent to an economy that is much more diversified than southern Michigan. Dallas has always been banking, insurance, retail and as of late tech. I think people still think about JR when they think about Dallas, which was always an anomaly. but the Dallas area was hit in the 80s and was hit again with waves of foreclosures by the Savings and Loan crisis in the early 90s. it is not completely immune to economic downturns, it just won't be oil that causes its next ebb.
East13th wrote >>
I'm originally from Dallas, lived here for 3 years. Trust me, the job market down there is strong and will remain strong, and it's got nothing to do with Big Oil. Oil died out down there 20 years ago and gave way to natural gas; it's all tech jobs now.
For now. We'll see how long those tech jobs last.
NEOBuckeye wrote >>
MichaelC wrote >>
Columbus may not be able to compete with D.C., but it can certainly emulate that which works in D.C. and might work in Columbus. It starts with transportation and the cultivation of neighborhoods connected by mass transit, neighbors that are built on and foster creativity and creative people.
Granted, it's very, very imperfect; but the energy and concentration of ambitious young professionals from all walks of life makes Washington a wonderful model for what a modern American city could be.I can't say that I view DC as even a partially legitimate model of comparison for Columbus, or really any other American city. It is the national capital and seat of US federal government, and so is completely unique in design and structure. You have embassies, federal agencies, sprawling national monuments and museums, and military and security headquarters based there and contributing to the local flavor and culture of DC in ways that Columbus can never know.
For this reason, I think it's useless to even try and begin to compare ourselves with DC. We can certainly aim to establish a system of mass transit, encourage more high density development and nurture the emergence of additional culturally thriving neighborhoods here, but we will get there by taking a very different path than what DC has.
I certainly understand and appreciate the point you're making, but I think the latter one you articulated is no different from the one I was attempting to advance: Washington's employment of mass transit, ability to attract young professionals and to foster unique, vibrant neighborhoods as a result is a worthy and achievable model to strive toward.
Certainly, Washington has a unique and stable draw with the preponderance of government and culture and diversity and so forth, but it is not the only American city that draws people from its perimeter into the center city and back out every day like a tide; how it has developed healthily in many ways is something that is capable of duplication elsewhere, IMO.
Some grads use homebuyer grants to stay in Ohio
Sunday, October 17, 2010
BY ENCARNACION PYLE
The Columbus Dispatch
More than 100 college graduates have used a new subsidy to buy a home in the Buckeye State during the past 12 months - signaling their desire to build a future in Ohio even as others leave.
The state unveiled the Grants for Grads program a year ago to try to reverse Ohio's "brain drain."
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