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YouTubeFor all you urban planners out there, the following link shows the Cleveland Lakefront Development Plan that was just revealed last week:
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Cleveland Lakefront Development Plan
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jpizzow
580 N. Park St.
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Gee, sure would be nice to have a plan of this scale to look forward to.....and monkeys might fly out of my ass. Good for Cleveland though, they need some lovin. This doesn't even include Battery Park ($100 million), Flats East Bank ($550 million) and Stonebridge ($1 billion) and another $1 billion development that was recently cancelled. Several high rise offices and residential are proposed and under contruction now. Kudos for the multi-model transit station. How does one of the most depressed cities in the nation have so much going on, yet as stable as it is here (all things considered) not too much is going on. I know some of you will say "well there are all kinds of things going on". Sure, there are multiple projects but nothing close to the number and scale of these. I thought this city was supposed to be most stable and successful in Ohio? I study these things every day and I can't tell you how many $500 + and $1 billion + projects I see in some stage of development in cities the same size or smaller. I just don't have the patience for our pace, especially in this very fast paced economy where it seems everyone is moving faster than we are. Oh well, I can always dream.
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CbusIslander
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jpizzow wrote >>
Gee, sure would be nice to have a plan of this scale to look forward to.....and monkeys might fly out of my ass. Good for Cleveland though, they need some lovin. This doesn't even include Battery Park ($100 million), Flats East Bank ($550 million) and Stonebridge ($1 billion) and another $1 billion development that was recently cancelled. Several high rise offices and residential are proposed and under contruction now. Kudos for the multi-model transit station. How does one of the most depressed cities in the nation have so much going on, yet as stable as it is here (all things considered) not too much is going on. I know some of you will say "well there are all kinds of things going on". Sure, there are multiple projects but nothing close to the number and scale of these. I thought this city was supposed to be most stable and successful in Ohio? I study these things every day and I can't tell you how many $500 + and $1 billion + projects I see in some stage of development in cities the same size or smaller. I just don't have the patience for our pace, especially in this very fast paced economy where it seems everyone is moving faster than we are. Oh well, I can always dream.As a graduate from Kent State in architecture, I can tell you Cleveland has had plans like this for decades and nothing to show for it. The same will happen with this project. If this does happen, it will take at least 30 years to appear. Flats East Bank has been halted in the middle of construction for the past year. Since then the main tenant just agreed to leave downtown to build a new campus in the suburbs. Several towers are proposed but likely never to be built.
I do agree Columbus needs to create the some kind of master and grand plan similar to what Cleveland has, but maybe there is a silver lining. The common NEO person has seen these sort of plans come and go so often that they don't believe they will appear till they do. Get people all excited just to be let down (sound familar). Columbus takes strides in reasonable steps. Cbus has past master plan examples: Positive: Arena District and Negative: Jeffrey Place.
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jpizzow
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CbusIslander, As much as I like the Arena District I still feel it's far from a true neighborhood. Yea, it has a good mix of residential, office, retail, entertainment and parks and it has come a long way from what it was. It is a national model for urban renewal in certain ways and I'm greatly appreciative for NRI's committment. However, there are still too many gaps and a HUGE lack of a residential component. There is next to no retail, which is due in large part to the lack of a more abundant residential base. Some of those spaces have been sitting emply since the buildings were constructed 5-10 years ago. I don't know if it the financing situation or what but I really wish they would start that second apartment complex. The market down there is so ripe for it, especially for rental units. I would also like to see them build more affordable condo units. I know so many people who would love to live in the neighbohood but simply cannot afford it. That'a a huge challenge with land prices and the location though. I realize a neighborhood of this scale takes time to build out and the current economic situation is not helping either. Like I've said, I'm too impatient with these things. I just want it to move forward and become even more vibrant. God, a light rail/streetcar line would do wanders. And those surface dirt/ashpalt lots are such an oppotunity but also such a detriment right now. It's all about perception and first impressions of highway passerbys. When the typical young professional sees this, especially in a "hip" area like this, the perception is boring, ugly and generally uncool. I cringe everytime I drive by it. It just does not feel "big city" and that's what many young professionals want. It is some of the most valueable real estate downtown and it needs to be dealt with a soon as possible.
I digress. I love talking about this sort of stuff and could go on for hours (can't wait to start classes this fall) but this post is about Cleveland. Good for Cleveland. I'll find another post to ramble on.
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CbusIslander
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jpizzow wrote >>
I digress. I love talking about this sort of stuff and could go on for hours (can't wait to start classes this fall) but this post is about Cleveland. Good for Cleveland. I'll find another post to ramble on.I didn't say that the arena district didn't have its flaws. The next phase does include additional apartment complex, it received approval, but it is probably being placed on hold till the economy rebounds. The large residential neighborhood planned west of the buggyworks (1000 units) will eventually make the arena district more vibrant.
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CbusIslander
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CbusIslander wrote >>
jpizzow wrote >>
I digress. I love talking about this sort of stuff and could go on for hours (can't wait to start classes this fall) but this post is about Cleveland. Good for Cleveland. I'll find another post to ramble on.Where is the funding source for this project? That is the problem. The arena district had the financing from NRI but I don't see one such developer here.
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FaireM
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If Cleveland can actually manage to get the funding and not let their typical politics get in the way its a nice idea. Cleveland Stadiun and the Rock Hall deserve a developed neighborhood instead of just industrial docks and warehouses. Too bad the chances of them actually seeing this through to completion are so small. Generally projects of this magnitude take them 20 years to actually implement.
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ja
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Columbus lacks a 'big city' feel because it is designed like a suburb, with few buildings with any character or history, wide streets and plenty of space between buildings. It looks like a big city from the freeway, but that immediately evaporates upon walking the pedestrian unfriendly and sterile environment of surface lots, empty storefronts and general lack of people. There is absolutely no feeling of hustle and bustle. Gay street is really the only block that remains in tact and has character.
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Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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The plan looks really nice, and I'd love to see it happen. I had more fun visiting Cleveland a month ago then I think I've ever had up there.
If it does hinge on currently absent development dollars though, it sounds like it's going to take something pretty hefty to make it all happen as planned...
... and I do think a 3C Rail Station could be the catalyst for this type of development, not just in Cleveland, but Cincy, Columbus, and Dayton as well. Bring it on! ;)
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jpizzow
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Walker wrote >>
The plan looks really nice, and I'd love to see it happen. I had more fun visiting Cleveland a month ago then I think I've ever had up there.
If it does hinge on currently absent development dollars though, it sounds like it's going to take something pretty hefty to make it all happen as planned...
... and I do think a 3C Rail Station could be the catalyst for this type of development, not just in Cleveland, but Cincy, Columbus, and Dayton as well. Bring it on! ;)I got everyone off of Cleveland by rambling about Columbus....my bad. It tends to happen often. My passion overflows sometimes, which I suppose is a good thing.
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