somertimeoh
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I still want to see that hairband cover band that played at the PBR festival again. If only I wasn't too drunk to remember their name, gah!!Fisted Mister? Were they in basketball jerseys?
Hmmm, that sounds like it might be right. I'll have to ask Erin, but I definitely want to see more of them this summer!!
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somertimeoh wrote >>
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somertimeoh wrote >>
I still want to see that hairband cover band that played at the PBR festival again. If only I wasn't too drunk to remember their name, gah!!Fisted Mister? Were they in basketball jerseys?
Hmmm, that sounds like it might be right. I'll have to ask Erin, but I definitely want to see more of them this summer!!
A friend of mine is in that band :) I'll find out what they're working on for this summer and let you know.
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Sweet! I'm sooooo ready for outdoor festival season I can't stand it!!
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somertimeoh wrote >>
I still want to see that hairband cover band that played at the PBR festival again. If only I wasn't too drunk to remember their name, gah!!Fisted Mister? Were they in basketball jerseys?
Hmmm, that sounds like it might be right. I'll have to ask Erin, but I definitely want to see more of them this summer!!
It was definitely Fisted Mister. They did a ton of rad 80's covers. Awesome.
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I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.
There was a band submission process in place for both Comfest and the Independent's Day event this past year. Did your band submit to be considered for a performance slot? If not, how do you expect event organizers to hear about your band?
I get a kick out of bands that think festivals are organized specifically to give unheard-of bands exposure. The sentiment often expressed by bands is that these slots should be going to THEIR band instead of (insert other band name here).
The sense of entitlement from bands that have yet to do anything note-worthy, do little if any self-promotion (complaining on the internet does not count), don't play out regularly, have gotten zero press, haven't put out an album or any other number of reasons, etc. I'm amazed how often this discussion is re-hashed.
It's not rocket science. Write good songs that the majority of people will like, get involved and the rest will follow.
While festivals may strive to offer some creative/exposure opportunities to newer bands, that is rarely the main goal. Most are actually just trying to get people in the doors/gates/grass with a variety of performances, arts, exhibits and other attractions and to offer a good time to a mass audience that is probably larger than your scene of friends/fans.
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The death of the music industry can be contributed to, #1-Clear Channel radio( for only playing,a repetitive loop of some of the worst american music ever created, because they were simply paid off by the major labels ), #2-MTV( for playing the videos of the same mindless music that Clear Channel was PAYED to play ), and of course #3-the major labels for screwing their artist for years.
I moved away from C-BUS years ago to NEW ORLEANS, in 2004 I returned to my hometown, only to find that the local music scene here was "STILL" plagued with the same infections that were the death the US music industry.
VERY SMALL MUSIC VENUES-with bad sound, no lights, never advertise their shows, pay bands peanuts, and are ALWAYS monopolized by some burnt out local rocker who's job it is to decide if YOUR band is GOOD enough to play their shithole club......p.s if you're a friend of theirs,you'll get top billing EVERYTIME. YES.. player hating is an epedemic!
LOCAL RADIO-who would rather play some slack-ass band from TEXAS or COLORADO before they give some hometown boys a chance ( play our music and let the people decide ).....p.s try mixing local music with national acts in PRIME TIME,..instead of having a 1 hour slot once a week that you openly advertise LOCAL HOUR ( which basically tells the listeners ) "HEY GUYS, TIME TO TURN, HERE'S SOME LOCAL SHIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PLAY, DON'T EXPECT MUCH,...IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS SILVER CHAIR,..BUT HERE IT IS".
OUT DOOR FESTIVALS--question? WHO'S DICK MUST YOU SUCK TO GET THE into COM FEST. I wonder if the organizers realize that people are gettig TIRED of the same fucking bands every year. tip---PLEASE STOP BOOKING bands that the organizers are actually in...or worse,..their friend's band. I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.
HATERS--yes I said it. to all you fucking haters from other bands,....guess what? it isn't a competition, how will this town become a "SEATTLE", if C-BUS bands don't scratch each others backs.
In short, this town is full of incredible, unheard of, under exposed bands that will never get to shine in the town because of my reasons listed,....hopefully, this town will wake up and support ALL bands, or we'll just keep loosing them all to NY and LA.
Nonsense.
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todd reed wrote >>
The death of the music industry can be contributed to, #1-Clear Channel radio( for only playing,a repetitive loop of some of the worst american music ever created, because they were simply paid off by the major labels ), #2-MTV( for playing the videos of the same mindless music that Clear Channel was PAYED to play ), and of course #3-the major labels for screwing their artist for years.
I mostly agree with this, but I think the death of the music industry as we know it is a good thing. Radio is dying as technology shifts and people realize they can actually have a choice of what they listen to. I can't remember the last time MTV played music videos on a regular basis, which is a good thing. And the major labels are getting what they had coming to them. No one should own the music YOU create except for you.
todd reed wrote >> I moved away from C-BUS years ago to NEW ORLEANS, in 2004 I returned to my hometown, only to find that the local music scene here was "STILL" plagued with the same infections that were the death the US music industry.
VERY SMALL MUSIC VENUES-with bad sound, no lights, never advertise their shows, pay bands peanuts, and are ALWAYS monopolized by some burnt out local rocker who's job it is to decide if YOUR band is GOOD enough to play their shithole club......p.s if you're a friend of theirs,you'll get top billing EVERYTIME. YES.. player hating is an epedemic!
My band plays at a variety of venues around town. Some of them have great sound systems and some of them have budget sound systems. There are a few venues that I prefer not to play, but I won't get into specifics for obvious reasons. You are right about getting paid peanuts -- problem is, I don't know where the money will come from unless you are drawing a few hundred people to your shows. Anyone who gets into the business to make it rich is likely to be highly disappointed. Also, the good ol' boy system does exist to an extent, but you'll find that in any scene or profession.
todd reed wrote >>
LOCAL RADIO-who would rather play some slack-ass band from TEXAS or COLORADO before they give some hometown boys a chance ( play our music and let the people decide ).....p.s try mixing local music with national acts in PRIME TIME,..instead of having a 1 hour slot once a week that you openly advertise LOCAL HOUR ( which basically tells the listeners ) "HEY GUYS, TIME TO TURN, HERE'S SOME LOCAL SHIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PLAY, DON'T EXPECT MUCH,...IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS SILVER CHAIR,..BUT HERE IT IS".
I can't comment much on this because I don't listen to FM radio. It all comes down to giving the people what they want so the station can maintain profitability. Or is it? I'm really not sure sometimes... it's kind of a chicken/egg conundrum. Are the radio stations really playing what people want, or are most Americans just so mindless and lazy that they will listen to whatever is fed to them? Thankfully, that is starting to change with the advent of the internet.
todd reed wrote >> OUT DOOR FESTIVALS--question? WHO'S DICK MUST YOU SUCK TO GET THE into COM FEST. I wonder if the organizers realize that people are gettig TIRED of the same fucking bands every year. tip---PLEASE STOP BOOKING bands that the organizers are actually in...or worse,..their friend's band. I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.
I can't comment much about this either because this is my first year living in Columbus. We have applied for Comfest, so I guess we will see what happens. Now, the part about booking bands that organizers are in... I did have an experience with this in an old band I played with a few years back. Without going into details, I can confirm that stuff like that does happen a lot. It all goes back to the good ol' boy system, but that will never change. If given an opportunity, you take that opportunity and move on.
todd reed wrote >> HATERS--yes I said it. to all you fucking haters from other bands,....guess what? it isn't a competition, how will this town become a "SEATTLE", if C-BUS bands don't scratch each others backs.
Our band is very supportive of other bands in the scene, but there are always dicks out there. Maybe you should try to do some grass-roots type work to get the ball rolling on more bands helping each other out.
todd reed wrote >> In short, this town is full of incredible, unheard of, under exposed bands that will never get to shine in the town because of my reasons listed,....hopefully, this town will wake up and support ALL bands, or we'll just keep loosing them all to NY and LA.
It is tough to make it in Columbus, but it is tough to make it anywhere. We are giving it a shot and, yeah, if it doesn't work here, we probably will move on to a larger city. I'm not sure what can be done about it though aside from working your ass off and hoping for the best. Also, I agree that this city is teeming with incredible bands waiting to be discovered. All in due time, I hope...
So, yeah, I mostly agree with the points you are making, but what good does it do to bitch about it? Maybe we can turn this into an open discussion about how to improve things for local bands.
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todd reed wrote >>
I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.It's not rocket science. Write good songs that the majority of people will like, get involved and the rest will follow.
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I agree with most of tall girl's points but "write good songs that the majority of people want to hear". I'm sorry but this is the worst thing that any artistic person could possibly do. It kind of makes me throw up in my mouth a bit. You could rewrite that and say "just sound like Nickelback and you'll play festivals" or "you should follow trends constantly" or "an artist should only concern him or herself with other people's opinions instead of their own". If we followed this advice we'd all be boring people and terrible musicians.
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todd reed wrote >>
I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.It's not rocket science. Write good songs that the majority of people will like, get involved and the rest will follow.
.I agree with most of tall girl's points but "write good songs that the majority of people want to hear". I'm sorry but this is the worst thing that any artistic person could possibly do. It kind of makes me throw up in my mouth a bit. You could rewrite that and say "just sound like Nickelback and you'll play festivals" or "you should follow trends constantly" or "an artist should only concern him or herself with other people's opinions instead of their own". If we followed this advice we'd all be boring people and terrible musicians.
Well no one said you had to write shitty songs for people to like them. You could always try the opposite of tallgirl's advice and "write bad songs that nobody wants to hear" and see how that works for you.
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tallgirl wrote >>
todd reed wrote >>
I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.It's not rocket science. Write good songs that the majority of people will like, get involved and the rest will follow.
.I agree with most of tall girl's points but "write good songs that the majority of people want to hear". I'm sorry but this is the worst thing that any artistic person could possibly do. It kind of makes me throw up in my mouth a bit. You could rewrite that and say "just sound like Nickelback and you'll play festivals" or "you should follow trends constantly" or "an artist should only concern him or herself with other people's opinions instead of their own". If we followed this advice we'd all be boring people and terrible musicians.
Dude, you are like so keeping it real bro!!
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blammo wrote >>
MrBond wrote >>
tallgirl wrote >>
todd reed wrote >>
I thought the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL was going to take the COM-FEST's shine,....but what do you know....they had the same fucking bands at the INDEPENDENCE FESTIVAL.It's not rocket science. Write good songs that the majority of people will like, get involved and the rest will follow.
.I agree with most of tall girl's points but "write good songs that the majority of people want to hear". I'm sorry but this is the worst thing that any artistic person could possibly do. It kind of makes me throw up in my mouth a bit. You could rewrite that and say "just sound like Nickelback and you'll play festivals" or "you should follow trends constantly" or "an artist should only concern him or herself with other people's opinions instead of their own". If we followed this advice we'd all be boring people and terrible musicians.
Well no one said you had to write shitty songs for people to like them. You could always try the opposite of tallgirl's advice and "write bad songs that nobody wants to hear" and see how that works for you.
She said "The Majority" of people, not all. You can still write good songs that no one will like.
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I'm sorry, but no, it's not possible to write a "good" song "no one" will like. You can think it's the best song ever and everyone else thinks it's shit (see countless unsigned acts touring the world today), but all you've done is written a song YOU like. To be "good" it generally implies timelessness, a universal approval of content and musicality. Not acknowledging that is simply ignorant.
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I'm sorry, but no, it's not possible to write a "good" song "no one" will like. You can think it's the best song ever and everyone else thinks it's shit (see countless unsigned acts touring the world today), but all you've done is written a song YOU like. To be "good" it generally implies timelessness, a universal approval of content and musicality. Not acknowledging that is simply ignorant.
I should have said "people" won't like, instead of "no one". (Apologies)
I'M sorry, but do you currently listen to every band on Myspace? Didn't think so. Yes, there are a lot of terrible bands out there but there are also a tremendous amount of unknown bands (some that prefer to be that way) that write amazing music.
Your basically saying that if a song is great, people will like it. But what if they never hear it? If your argument was true then saying "every band I could like I've already heard of" would be a true statement.
People think good music finds you all the time. It's pretty rare. I have to scour the internet to find good music, or trust friends with good taste.
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I'm sorry, but no, it's not possible to write a "good" song "no one" will like. You can think it's the best song ever and everyone else thinks it's shit (see countless unsigned acts touring the world today), but all you've done is written a song YOU like. To be "good" it generally implies timelessness, a universal approval of content and musicality. Not acknowledging that is simply ignorant.
I should have said "people" won't like, instead of "no one". (Apologies)
I'M sorry, but do you currently listen to every band on Myspace? Didn't think so. Yes, there are a lot of terrible bands out there but there are also a tremendous amount of unknown bands (some that prefer to be that way) that write amazing music.
Your basically saying that if a song is great, people will like it. But what if they never hear it? If your argument was true then saying "every band I could like I've already heard of" would be a true statement.
People think good music finds you all the time. It's pretty rare. I have to scour the internet to find good music, or trust friends with good taste.
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what are we even talking about at this point? tallgirl helps book bands for the Independents Day fest, and chances are that if you don't play good songs that lots of people like, then you probably aren't gonna get in. listen to the bands that were selected for the last two years, and there's nary a Nickelback soundalike among them. lots of talent and diversity present though.
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I'm sorry, but no, it's not possible to write a "good" song "no one" will like. You can think it's the best song ever and everyone else thinks it's shit (see countless unsigned acts touring the world today), but all you've done is written a song YOU like. To be "good" it generally implies timelessness, a universal approval of content and musicality. Not acknowledging that is simply ignorant.
Not true. History of music/art is paved with forgotten talent. Besides, we're not talking about how well someone can play Ravel's concerto in G are we? It's rockandroll, modern music....really has as much to do with feeling out the times, or being in the right place at the right time as it does with actual talent.
And if you're playing the whole "it's good if the masses like it" card...well that's pretty ignorant as well. I mean, I can see why you might hold that idea because it is somewhat logically defensible; but it's also completely soulless and strips the meaning of art down to it's most base form (though, I'm not entirely against you...I do think a certain broad appeal is necessary).
And Snarf and Blammo...make up your mind. You can make fun of Mr. Bond for what....trying to "keep it real?" Isn't that what you do? Just you know, more ironically....
Are you trying to keep it fake? I don't think you have enough years in art school to succeed at that...
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