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Buying green, but not for the planet
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somertimeoh
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Posted 2 years ago # -
lifeliberty
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osulew wrote >>
And I need more ikea containers.
I thought CU should know that.thanks for the info, I was unaware that you needed containers!
and washing bags never seems to work for me. I get frustrated and throw them out.
EDIT: How do you keep them from flying around the dishwasher?
Posted 2 years ago # -
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lifeliberty wrote >>
EDIT: How do you keep them from flying around the dishwasher?
For the ziplocks, I just put them open side down on the top rack... never had one try to escape.
Which is a fun thought... little plastic hands beating the inside of the dishwasher... a tiny "help me!" meeping sound as you hit "pots and pans / high temp wash" for the third time... a gurgling "nooooo!!!" as it dies, drowning...
Posted 2 years ago # -
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I cannot wait for the day I get a dishwasher. I know I would cook a lot more than I do if I had one. Right now it's kinda cook as many things as you can in one pot because I hate doing dishes. It is part of my daily routine and i guess it would be missed, but i hate it.
Posted 2 years ago # -
berdawn
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lifeliberty wrote >>
I cannot wait for the day I get a dishwasher. I know I would cook a lot more than I do if I had one. Right now it's kinda cook as many things as you can in one pot because I hate doing dishes. It is part of my daily routine and i guess it would be missed, but i hate it.I'd never had a dishwasher before we got one for our house but now, I can not imagine life without it if for no other reason than there is a place to put the dirty dishes: Viola! instant tidy kitchen!
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berdawn
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rus wrote >>
lifeliberty wrote >>
EDIT: How do you keep them from flying around the dishwasher?For the ziplocks, I just put them open side down on the top rack... never had one try to escape.
Which is a fun thought... little plastic hands beating the inside of the dishwasher... a tiny "help me!" meeping sound as you hit "pots and pans / high temp wash" for the third time... a gurgling "nooooo!!!" as it dies, drowning...And they don't melt? WOW. that is good to know, thanks!
ETA: Rus, does your dishwasher dry? that seems like when they would melt.
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lifeliberty wrote >>
I cannot wait for the day I get a dishwasher. I know I would cook a lot more than I do if I had one. Right now it's kinda cook as many things as you can in one pot because I hate doing dishes. It is part of my daily routine and i guess it would be missed, but i hate it.Didn't have one when I lived in VV... yeah, it's a pain.
For the bags though... might just try washing them out in the dishwater, then a quick rinse and let them drip dry on a rack.
Or, if that's too much work, at lest they're relatively cheap ;)
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berdawn wrote >>
rus wrote >>
lifeliberty wrote >>
EDIT: How do you keep them from flying around the dishwasher?For the ziplocks, I just put them open side down on the top rack... never had one try to escape.
Which is a fun thought... little plastic hands beating the inside of the dishwasher... a tiny "help me!" meeping sound as you hit "pots and pans / high temp wash" for the third time... a gurgling "nooooo!!!" as it dies, drowning...And they don't melt? WOW. that is good to know, thanks!
Never melted one. In fact, the only thing I've come close to melting was a plastic measuring cup which worked it's way to the heating coil.
Note to self: DO NOT overload dishwasher.
Posted 2 years ago # -
alexs
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Another financial incentive is putting a deposit on beverage containers. Make the consumer buy into the deal, with the promise of getting money back if they return the containers. We don't do this in Ohio, so
If each of those containers were worth 10¢, this would be a small fortune.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Bear
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rus wrote >>
Bear wrote >>
it seems to be applied to anyone who seeks not to continue to play his or her assigned, myopic role in the tragedy of the commons.
(which is not to say that there aren't perfectly good personal-utility reasons for buying green stuff too.)Youtube blocked at your office? Or are you too busy screaming and wailing for old growth forests?
Neither -- seen it before. But thanks for proving my point: responsible resource husbandry = screaming and wailing for old growth forests....
Posted 2 years ago # -
0Angle
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somertimeoh wrote >>
Have you ever tried to "wash" a bag? I draw the line at that PITA factor, haha. Seriously though, those tiny containers from the IKEA set are perfect!! I have some others I got at Tensuke once and they are getting used up too.When I was growing up, my Italian Grandmother (who raised 3 boys during the depression) washed and re-used bread bags, trays and tins from the grocery store and anything else that she could find another use for. When I started brewing beer, she found a hornet's nest in a case of beer bottles on her back porch that she was going to wash for me. We (her consumerist grandchildren) used to think it was the most bizarre behavior... She would be 100 this year if she hadn't died in '07. Little pot-pie pans of eggplant parm-Mmmmmm
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Bear wrote >>
rus wrote >>
Bear wrote >>
it seems to be applied to anyone who seeks not to continue to play his or her assigned, myopic role in the tragedy of the commons.
(which is not to say that there aren't perfectly good personal-utility reasons for buying green stuff too.)Youtube blocked at your office? Or are you too busy screaming and wailing for old growth forests?
Neither -- seen it before. But thanks for proving my point: responsible resource husbandry = screaming and wailing for old growth forests....
*PATOOOOOEY*
*CLUNK*Awful lot of works you're trying to stuff in my mouth there.
Berdawn asked me what I meant by environmental emotionalism. I provided an example.
You read into that what you wanted to see. If you consider a drum circle with attendant screaming and wailing to be "responsible resource husbandry" then that's your problem.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Twixlen
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alexs wrote >>
Another financial incentive is putting a deposit on beverage containers. Make the consumer buy into the deal, with the promise of getting money back if they return the containers. We don't do this in Ohio, so
If each of those containers were worth 10¢, this would be a small fortune.The hobo industry would be thriving! And not off my gutters!
Anyway - I lived in NY, where they have this law, although I believe it falls off the books at the end of this year. It really did make a difference in the amount of general garbage that got tossed out of cars, because suddenly, cans/bottles had this secondary value.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Bear
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rus wrote >>
Berdawn asked me what I meant by environmental emotionalism. I provided an example.
You read into that what you wanted to see. If you consider a drum circle with attendant screaming and wailing to be "responsible resource husbandry" then that's your problem.I was responding to Berdawn's question, not your example.
I hadn't gotten the impression that you only meant to implicate drum-circle wailers when you wrote "not everyone buys into environmental emotionalism." But if so, no contest.
Posted 2 years ago # -
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alexs wrote >>
Also along these lines, one argument for saving rainwater for the gardens is, you're not paying to pour chemically-treated water on your soil.Another reason for saving rainwater is it's an easy method of storing water in the event of service interruption due to water main break, accident, or similar circumstance.
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Bear wrote >>
rus wrote >>
Berdawn asked me what I meant by environmental emotionalism. I provided an example.
You read into that what you wanted to see. If you consider a drum circle with attendant screaming and wailing to be "responsible resource husbandry" then that's your problem.I was responding to Berdawn's question, not your example.
I hadn't gotten the impression that you only meant to implicate drum-circle wailers when you wrote "not everyone buys into environmental emotionalism." But if so, no contest.So, Berdawn asks me a question and you choose to respond with what you presume I mean.
Have you considered just talking to yourself? Since you can fill in both sides of a conversation that would seem to save considerable time.
Posted 2 years ago # -
KSquared
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Twixlen wrote >>
It makes sense - after all, consumption is personal. I stopped using harsh chemicals a LONG time ago - not because they didn't do a great job, or because I was necessarily concerned about where they go when they leave my house, down the drain (although, this is certainly something I've thought about in the ensuing years), but because they make me wheezy. Then I discovered that borax and baking soda and salt and vinegar and lemon really will clean about everything that needs to be cleaned. The bonus is that it's not going to kill my pets AND it's cheaper.
.Agreed. I also like that they aren't all aggressively anti-bacterial. Overuse of anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners kills off many of the the "good" bacteria, as well as other weaker "bad" bacteria, allowing the strongest bacteria to fill in the vacuum that nature abhors. We're not meant to live in a completely sterile environment.
Posted 2 years ago # -
berdawn
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KSquared wrote >>
Twixlen wrote >>
It makes sense - after all, consumption is personal. I stopped using harsh chemicals a LONG time ago - not because they didn't do a great job, or because I was necessarily concerned about where they go when they leave my house, down the drain (although, this is certainly something I've thought about in the ensuing years), but because they make me wheezy. Then I discovered that borax and baking soda and salt and vinegar and lemon really will clean about everything that needs to be cleaned. The bonus is that it's not going to kill my pets AND it's cheaper.
.Agreed. I also like that they aren't all aggressively anti-bacterial. Overuse of anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners kills off many of the the "good" bacteria, as well as other weaker "bad" bacteria, allowing the strongest bacteria to fill in the vacuum that nature abhors. We're not meant to live in a completely sterile environment.
based on my sinuses this week, I think that I was
Posted 2 years ago # -
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KSquared wrote >>
Twixlen wrote >>
It makes sense - after all, consumption is personal. I stopped using harsh chemicals a LONG time ago - not because they didn't do a great job, or because I was necessarily concerned about where they go when they leave my house, down the drain (although, this is certainly something I've thought about in the ensuing years), but because they make me wheezy. Then I discovered that borax and baking soda and salt and vinegar and lemon really will clean about everything that needs to be cleaned. The bonus is that it's not going to kill my pets AND it's cheaper.
.Agreed. I also like that they aren't all aggressively anti-bacterial. Overuse of anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners kills off many of the the "good" bacteria, as well as other weaker "bad" bacteria, allowing the strongest bacteria to fill in the vacuum that nature abhors. We're not meant to live in a completely sterile environment.
I'm no expert on bad/good bacteria, but this seems interesting:
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/vinegar-kills-bacteria-mold-germs.html#
Heinz company spokesperson Michael Mullen references numerous studies to show that a straight 5 percent solution of vinegarâ€â€thekind you can buy in the supermarketâ€â€kills 99 percent of bacteria, 82 percent of mold, and 80 percent of germs (viruses). He noted that Heinz can’t claim on their packaging that vinegar is a disinfectant since the company has not registered it as a pesticide with the Environmental Protection Agency. However, it seems to be common knowledge in the industry that vinegar is powerfully antibacterial. Even the CBS news show “48 Hours†had a special years ago with Heloise reporting on tests from The Good Housekeeping Institute that showed this.
Just like antibiotics, common disinfectants found in sponges and household sprays may contribute to drug resistant bacteria, according to researchers of drug resistance at Tufts New England Medical Center. Furthermore, research at the Government Accounting Office shows that many commercial disinfectants are ineffective to begin with, just like antibiotics.
Would the dangers of overuse of other cleansers also apply to vinegar?
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