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BP Protest Thursday, June 17th 2010
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CDS sherman
East Franklinton
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pez wrote >>
CDS sherman wrote >>
im am not offended in the least, let me assure you. just do some diligence and get the address right. if there is beer and pot i will join you.There's a BP right across the street from 5/3 where you can at least get some beer.
hopefully some of the BP protesters will have some pot.....
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CDS sherman
East Franklinton
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they should be getting up around then.
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Mister Shifter
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Bear
The woods
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Anise1281 wrote >>
like i said, come or dont come. im gonna leave it at that and let you guys continue your clever "bp can skullfuck us all and we shouldnt do shit about it" banter. ENJOY!!!!I believe, if you take the time to read what people are saying, it's more along the lines of, "We're mad as hell that BP is skullfucking us, but there's no point in doing stupid shit about it."
Which leaves you with the option of continuing to plan stupid shit... or listening:
BP owns only a handful of the 11,000 stations that bear its brand and is trying to sell the few still on its books. So those who wish to inflict the maximum amount of pain on the company are instead putting much of the hurt on the family businesses that actually own the stations.
Just how little does BP gain from its gas stations, besides whatever ancillary marketing benefit it gains from the signs? The gas in its pumps may not be extracted, refined or stored by the company and may just get a spritz of BP additives right before it ends up at the service station. All of this puts a mere handful of coins in the company’s pocket per fill-up.
And the gas that people buy when they fill up elsewhere? Fuel from independent gas stations, grocery chains and big-box wholesale clubs sometimes comes directly from refineries or wholesalers that BP owns outright.
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Klablut
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greenhouse1014 wrote >>
You really want to make a difference? You really want to show you care about the environment and what happens to the people in the gulf? Get your ass down there and leave our small business owners alone. Put up or shut up I say.Oh yeah, everyone has the money and time off to just take off to the South. Good idea.
Protest is about the least effective means of promoting change.
Tell that crap to the civil rights protestors.
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Klablut
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Wish that all of these small business owners would lobby BP to stop the lies, stop denying media access and stop throwing away evidence. It is BP's present day actions that cause others to turn away not just because of their stupid decisions that lead to this catastrophe.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riki-ott/from-the-ground-bp-censor_b_608724.html
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greenhouse1014
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Klablut wrote >>
greenhouse1014 wrote >>
You really want to make a difference? You really want to show you care about the environment and what happens to the people in the gulf? Get your ass down there and leave our small business owners alone. Put up or shut up I say.
Oh yeah, everyone has the money and time off to just take off to the South. Good idea.
Protest is about the least effective means of promoting change.
Tell that crap to the civil rights protestors.As far as taking off, yeah, I know, I'm just saying. Depends on your level of passion, I guess.
And the protesting thing, yeah, it's now 2010 and nobody cares about protesting anymore. PLUS, the civil rights movement was a lot more than protests and it had A LOT more people behind it AND the end game had actual results desired, not just letting BP know how mad we are at them. Your comparison if a fail.
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Klablut
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And the protesting thing, yeah, it's now 2010 and nobody cares about protesting anymore. PLUS, the civil rights movement was a lot more than protests and it had A LOT more people behind it AND the end game had actual results desired, not just letting BP know how mad we are at them. Your comparison if a fail.
Well I am glad that you speak for everyone and know what year it is. There are wanted results with this protest too:
petition to get support for clean energy initiatives in Ohio and nationwide.
I am not saying that targeting one station is the best solution but sitting behind a compt. yacking about it is not either.
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greenhouse1014
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Klablut wrote >>
And the protesting thing, yeah, it's now 2010 and nobody cares about protesting anymore. PLUS, the civil rights movement was a lot more than protests and it had A LOT more people behind it AND the end game had actual results desired, not just letting BP know how mad we are at them. Your comparison if a fail.
Well I am glad that you speak for everyone and know what year it is. There are wanted results with this protest too:
petition to get support for clean energy initiatives in Ohio and nationwide.
I am not saying that targeting one station is the best solution but sitting behind a compt. yacking about it is not either.you want to protest to petition. hmmm, not finding the sense there... The protest itself has no goals. At least none that I've read or heard.
And you're so smart, when was the last time a protest worked?
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Talcott
Clintonville
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I feel like something is getting lost here when the argument becomes about protesting in the abstract. There are a lot of different kinds of protests, and they are not all created equal.
Protests can still be effective, as part of a larger strategy. They can draw attention to an issue that is being under represented (or not at all represented), and they can being together people who share a common cause in a hybrid of solidarity and social justice networking. That's how the best protests have functioned historically, but I don't see how this specific protest would help.
The problem in this case is that everyone knows about the spill, and everyone is angry at BP. If the oil spill was happening in another country, and wasn't being reported in the US media, then I think there could be a good argument made for the protest. I still don't think protesting an individual station would be that great of a plan (and I don't understand why this station has been picked twice), but that could be reason for a [well planed] demonstration. But that's not the case here. I can understand this demonstration as a reflection of anger toward BP, but there doesn't seem to be much beyond that.
And I do agree that "go help clean up the gulf" is a flip and perhaps impractical response, but in this case, writing representatives, writing checks, canvasing neighborhoods with a petition to encourage clean energy innovation, even writing essays and articles, are more effective directions to work in than a narrowly-focused but ill-defined protest.
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somertimeoh
Harrison West
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I think what these girls are doing is great and a great way to actually do something. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=127425097280731
I'm sending bottles this week. If anyone wants to contribute we can ship them together and save on freight costs.
If you buy bottles, get the special edition ones ans go here to enter the code so a monetary donation will also be made, it's like double duty. http://www.dawn-dish.com/en_US/savingwildlife/specialedition.do
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Klablut
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Talcott wrote >>
I feel like something is getting lost here when the argument becomes about protesting in the abstract. There are a lot of different kinds of protests, and they are not all created equal.
Protests can still be effective, as part of a larger strategy. They can draw attention to an issue that is being under represented (or not at all represented), and they can being together people who share a common cause in a hybrid of solidarity and social justice networking. That's how the best protests have functioned historically, but I don't see how this specific protest would help.
The problem in this case is that everyone knows about the spill, and everyone is angry at BP. If the oil spill was happening in another country, and wasn't being reported in the US media, then I think there could be a good argument made for the protest. I still don't think protesting an individual station would be that great of a plan (and I don't understand why this station has been picked twice), but that could be reason for a [well planed] demonstration. But that's not the case here. I can understand this demonstration as a reflection of anger toward BP, but there doesn't seem to be much beyond that.
And I do agree that "go help clean up the gulf" is a flip and perhaps impractical response, but in this case, writing representatives, writing checks, canvasing neighborhoods with a petition to encourage clean energy innovation, even writing essays and articles, are more effective directions to work in than a narrowly-focused but ill-defined protest.Thank you. That was a very well written response. The only problem I have is that not everyone knows about alternative energy solutions and what they can do in terms of turning their angst into something productive. Most protests that I have encountered usually have information to give out to those who will take it; names and addresses of people/companies/politicians to contact or information on the reason behind the protest. That is how these protests can be effective. You can assume that everyone is educated on these matters but that is simply not true. I don't consider this a protest againt a particular station but an opportunity to spread the word so to speak. I know that there are other ways to do this, such as canvassing. But a protest would most likely bring in the media. It is a controversial decision to protest at a particular station, I understand. My way of protesting is by not purchasing gas at BP. I'll take my chances at another station that may or may not funnel profits to BP.
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lifeontwowheels
Highland West
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I'll take my chances at another station that may or may not funnel profits to BP.
So basically you are going to continue with an activity that makes off shore drilling necessary?
The better protest would be to start using a bike, bus, walking or carpooling more and get others to join in the effort. Show some conviction behind your principles, thats why the bus boycotts, the salt march, the sit ins et al. worked so effectively. "I'm going to boycott BP and hit the Shell up down the street to top off the tank after" really doesn't carry a lot of weight.
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