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Bike Lanes in the Hilltop but none on High St?
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lifeontwowheels
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lifeontwowheels
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sik wrote >>
The City recognizes that education is an important component throughout implementation of the Bicentennial Bikeways Plan. Ongoing education will continue to be a part of bicycle infrastructure improvements.I'm wondering specifically for the Hilltop. So far the city hasn't done much on the education front. Was there consideration or discussion (or will there be?) with local Hilltop organizations and businesses to work on the awareness and education components instead of the constant deference to the Bikeways Plan?
Posted 2 years ago # -
Columbusite
Minneapolis
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Why are people who don't know how to ride on the road the ones deciding for people who do and know the safest way to go about it? Reasons for no bike lanes: Right hooks, being in drivers blind spots, cars driving on the lane, cars parking in the lane, lower visibility when next to cars, being in the door zone, snow gets plowed here (yes, some of us do ride in the winter), furthers motorist self entitlement to the road, etc, etc, etc.
I've ridden on Broad, both east and west. Each time I used the right hand lane like any other vehicle, just like I always do as is also recommended by LAB (League of American Bicyclists) instructors as the safest way to ride. If you're riding outside of rush hour it's a ghost town, especially W Broad. Drivers pass on the left and it's no problem. If someone is so scared to ride on the road that they need bike lanes, then how in the world are they ever going to change lanes in order to make a left turn?
If anything is needed aside from signage and sharrows it is more traffic lights and narrowed lanes near I-70. W Broad functions like a highway feeder with few lights encouraging non-stop traffic and provides few places for pedestrians to cross. Get a helmet, get a mirror, and get some lights for night time riding. If anyone wants to be shown how it's done I will for a reasonable fee, and I'll do a free demonstration to show that bike lanes need to be removed from the Hilltop plan.
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kathyhoke
Wilshire Heights, Columbus
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lifeontwowheels wrote >>
sik wrote >>
The City recognizes that education is an important component throughout implementation of the Bicentennial Bikeways Plan. Ongoing education will continue to be a part of bicycle infrastructure improvements.I'm wondering specifically for the Hilltop. So far the city hasn't done much on the education front. Was there consideration or discussion (or will there be?) with local Hilltop organizations and businesses to work on the awareness and education components instead of the constant deference to the Bikeways Plan?
We have several bicycling leaders on the Hilltop - people who lead group rides, encourage bike commuting and are active in Consider Biking and Columbus Outdoor Pursuits, among other groups. I count myself among them. We have a lot of work to do, no question, but we have a good starting point for more collaboration.
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Coley
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There are some really good points being brought up both for and against the bike lanes. I think what needs the most attention is slowing the traffic down- especially around high volume times. Whatever decision is made I hope it's made with consideration of business owners current and future as well as the community who lives in the area. We have to live with it everyday no matter how it goes.
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lifeontwowheels
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I don't know the west side well enough to comment specifically on some of these issues. I would love to meet up with some of the Highland West/Hilltop leaders and get a better sense of things, especially related to cycling.
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Metroman10
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900 people polled is totaly incorect and there are several thousand people that live in Highland West that were not polled.
Today was the frist that any of the business owners in tha area that heard of this. I have lived in Highland West for 26 years and I did not hear anything about this until last Thursday.
With the speed of the traffic and the glaring sun in the morning and after noon is an accident waiting to happen.
There is an overlay plan that was done for the business distict 2 years ago and the mobility plan will not work with the overlay. The overlay will make the area a better place to work and play and need to be funded as soon as possible.
So as for Josh and Kathy they are not for making Highland West a good place to live and play.Posted 2 years ago # -
lifeontwowheels
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Metroman10 wrote >>
900 people polled is totaly incorect and there are several thousand people that live in Highland West that were not polled.
Today was the frist that any of the business owners in tha area that heard of this. I have lived in Highland West for 26 years and I did not hear anything about this until last Thursday.
With the speed of the traffic and the glaring sun in the morning and after noon is an accident waiting to happen.
There is an overlay plan that was done for the business distict 2 years ago and the mobility plan will not work with the overlay. The overlay will make the area a better place to work and play and need to be funded as soon as possible.
So as for Josh and Kathy they are not for making Highland West a good place to live and play.Is there a link to the overlay? Is there a way to work to a compromise between the two?
I think the overall goal of what the Hilltop Mobility Plan is trying to accomplish is good, just seems both sides are talking past each other.
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Columbusite
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Overlay? You mean an urban commercial overlay? This particular stretch of W Broad in HW should have one and the traffic lights should be placed close enough together like they are in the Short North, since this is the only comparable commercial strip in the entire city. Why not install those first to help set the foundation for an attractive business street before waiting another few decades? Do I really have to cite Gay St yet again? Ped/bike friendly = business friendly. Whoever doesn't get that should shut their mouth and step down already.
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cowtownmex
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I just don't understand why the City of Columbus would pay a
firm to design the Highland West District Charrette, only to
waste tax payer money to put in bike lanes. It's a good thing
that Mount Carmel Hospital is close by, because noone repsects
the speed limit. The speed limit is 45 going towards Franklington,
and people driving are going 50 to 55 mph.
http://development.columbus.gov/Asset/iu_files/PlanList/GHc_Highland_West_Visioning_Charrette.pdf
The proposed by bicycle lanes totally contradict the charrette.
The plan also proposes elimination of parking on the North Side,
where parking is already limited. None of the business owners were notified.Posted 2 years ago # -
lifeontwowheels
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The link you posted is dead.
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lifeontwowheels
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BTW, just saw the call to action for cyclists to get involved in pushing this through.
The proposal to stripe bike lanes on W. Broad Street through the Hilltop Community is at a critical juncture. We need your help now!
[more at the link posted above]Through a public input process over the last year, and in accordance with the City's Bicentennial Bikeways Plan, the Hilltop Community RESIDENTS have OVERWHELMINGLY expressed a desire to have bike lanes striped on Broad St.
However, as expected, some business owners along Broad St. have reservations about the subsequent loss of parking on one side of the road. (Despite the fact that additional parking will be marked on the south side and many more off-street parking alternatives identified.)
Judging by the comments I have seen so far, it might not be a good idea to dismiss the local business owner's perspective. Hopefully this doesn't take two steps back in making the Hilltop and westside more accessible overall.
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lifeontwowheels
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cowtownmex wrote >>
http://development.columbus.gov/Asset/iu_files/PlanList/GH_Highland_West_Visioning_Charrette.pdf
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http://highlandwestneighborsassociation.ning.com/page/links-1Thanks
ETA
Love the designs presented. Wondering if there could be a compromise between the various plans since all seem to have the basic goal of making Broad more of a complete street with an emphasis on density, walkability and bikeability.
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gingerlynn
Highland West
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@ cowtownmex that's because its "Federal Money". It's not going to cost the City anything.
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Metroman10
Highland West
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Lifeontowwheels if you live in suburia why should you shove the bike plan on us when it will keep the business district from becoming viable again. Its just out siders wanting to shove there agenda down our throats.
Why dont you push for the bike lane in your neighborhood.Posted 2 years ago # -
Matthew
Hilltop
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I would really love to see one of the news stations take a look at this overlay and listen to Highland West Neighbors association on this issue.
Yesterday was the first time business owners on Broad had heard of the plan, and that was because people from the neighborhood went out on foot door to door.
Again, compromise. We keep hearing from Josh all or nothing. Why won't you work with us?
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adrock
Grandview Heights
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i don't see how bike lanes negatively affect anything in that pdf presentation. if anything, it makes it better because it fits in with what they're trying to do much better. if someone wants plenty of room for minivans and ford f-150s right in front of their door, they shouldn't be in any urban area to begin with.
the last thing that will keep that area of town in the dumps is a bike lane.
the speed limit definitely should be brought down to 25mph if they have any hope of rebuilding the area though.
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