lifeontwowheels
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my medium is dying wrote That said, i live about 45-60 minutes from Downtown, and i think anyone who can't plant a 2-acre garden and raise their own pigs and chickens is crazy.
Backyard Chickens, FTW.
Although not entirely possible in some cases, it is pretty easy to establish an urban garden, as well as space for the chickens. At least enough to supplement your family's needs.
:D
joev
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lifeontwowheels wrotemy medium is dying wrote That said, i live about 45-60 minutes from Downtown, and i think anyone who can't plant a 2-acre garden and raise their own pigs and chickens is crazy.Backyard Chickens, FTW.
Although not entirely possible in some cases, it is pretty easy to establish an urban garden, as well as space for the chickens. At least enough to supplement your family's needs.
:D
Yes, but their beaks are so pecky.
johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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lifeontwowheels wrotemy medium is dying wrote That said, i live about 45-60 minutes from Downtown, and i think anyone who can't plant a 2-acre garden and raise their own pigs and chickens is crazy.Backyard Chickens, FTW.
Although not entirely possible in some cases, it is pretty easy to establish an urban garden, as well as space for the chickens. At least enough to supplement your family's needs.
:D
Without actually checking, I'm going to assume that raising chickens in the city is probably against a zoning code or something.
michaelcoyote
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JohnWirtz wroteWithout actually checking, I'm going to assume that raising chickens in the city is probably against a zoning code or something.
While Columbus is not listed, It looks legal in many municipalities..
Including Chicago!
michaelcoyote
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MatthewJR30 wrote BOK BOK BOK
Are you chicken or something?
lifeontwowheels
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JohnWirtz wrotelifeontwowheels wrotemy medium is dying wrote That said, i live about 45-60 minutes from Downtown, and i think anyone who can't plant a 2-acre garden and raise their own pigs and chickens is crazy.Backyard Chickens, FTW.
Although not entirely possible in some cases, it is pretty easy to establish an urban garden, as well as space for the chickens. At least enough to supplement your family's needs.
:D
Without actually checking, I'm going to assume that raising chickens in the city is probably against a zoning code or something.
Many municipalities have begun to change previous codes and now classify chickens under "pet" provisions. In other cases, as long as the neighbors don't complain it's fine. If the biggest issue the police in a town face is to round up illegal chicken farms....
Besides, it's only illegal till you get caught...
gramarye
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Hah! I don't know if chickens are actually legal in Columbus, but considering the noise and the stench they can make--my neighbors back in Kirkersville raised chickens, and there was a hen farm about mile away--I think your neighbors would be less likely to complain if you were [totally illegally] growing cannabis than [possibly legally] raising chickens.
I'm on record saying I think urban farming has a future a decade or two down the line, when the cost-benefit analysis of "vertical farms" shifts in its favor (due to rising transportation & logistics costs) ... but I have to admit, listening to and smelling my neighbor raising chickens wasn't quite what I had in mind. :P
johnwirtz
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michaelcoyote wroteJohnWirtz wroteWithout actually checking, I'm going to assume that raising chickens in the city is probably against a zoning code or something.
While Columbus is not listed, It looks legal in many municipalities..
Including Chicago!
Hmmm. I'm going to have to talk to my condo board about this.
joev
Merion Village
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Here's a really nice article about urban farming from New York Mag. http://nymag.com/restaurants/features/37273/
All in all, it's probably more costly and time consuming to raise your own chickens in an urban area. But you can use your landscape to produce food for you in a lot more ways that having a vegetable garden.
JonMyers
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joev wrote But you can use your landscape to produce food for you in a lot more ways that having a vegetable garden.
I saw two families along the bike path in Clintonville who had done just that with their front yards. Turned them into vegetable gardens. They had a small sign in front of their house explaining what they were growing and their take on it.
There is also a movement out west led by an architect called Edible Estates, which is prototyping these type of gardens and urging people to reconsider the waste created by the traditional preened lawn.
I agree I think you'll start to see a lot more of this, which makes me happy. I think the passion and competition people put into their yards can be stupid.
joev
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JonMyers wrotejoev wrote But you can use your landscape to produce food for you in a lot more ways that having a vegetable garden.I saw two families along the bike path in Clintonville who had done just that with their front yards. Turned them into vegetable gardens. They had a small sign in front of their house explaining what they were growing and their take on it.
There is also a movement out west led by an architect called Edible Estates, which is prototyping these type of gardens and urging people to reconsider the waste created by the traditional preened lawn.
I agree I think you'll start to see a lot more of this, which makes me happy. I think the passion and competition people put into their yards can be stupid.
I'm currently sourcing some fruit trees for our new house. If anyone has leads on (especially heritage) varieties that self pollinate, PM me.
michaelcoyote
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gramarye wrote Hah! I don't know if chickens are actually legal in Columbus, but considering the noise and the stench they can make--my neighbors back in Kirkersville raised chickens, and there was a hen farm about mile away
Well a lot of the municipalities listed in the web page I posted had a hen only ordnance (they're quieter than roosters by far) as well as a limit of the number of birds (from what I can tell usually 3). As someone wh0 had a neighbor with about 10-15 chickens at any given time including roosters, it was pretty annoying when the roosters would start crowing at 4-5AM.
As far as the smell, I think that it can be ok if the manure is spread out (e.g. penning them in a chicken tractor and moving them to different areas frequently).. What I've read talks about how to neutralize this problem. I think the biggest thing is just making sure that the manure doesn't pile up and the best way is to not have too many chickens for the area you keep them in. For example my neighbor had 5 acres and they had 3 of it fenced for chickens with a hen house that got closed at night.. there really wasn't a bad smell for the 10-15 chickens.
As far as commercial chicken farms, that's a rant for another time. I just remember driving past the Buckeye Egg farm back when it was really bad (about 10 years ago). Horrible.
Anne
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Columbus Public Health Department wroteA person needs a permit from the Columbus Health Department to keep
domestic fowl. Columbus City Health Code 221.05 addresses the criteria
for ownership. If you have fowl, want to get fowl or would like to
report a complaint about domestic fowl, please call the Animal
Program clerk with the owner address and type of animals involved at 614-645-7288 to make that report or request in person.
Columbus City Health Code 221.05 wrote221.05 STANDARDS RELATIVE TO ANIMALS AND FOWL.
(a) No person shall keep any equine, cow, sheep, goat, pig, llama or other large animal in any stable, barn or structure unless that stable, barn or other structure shall have a floor of impervious material and shall be so drained that all fluid excrement or refuse liquid shall be conducted into a City sanitary sewer. All manure and refuse shall be placed in tightly covered containers and removed from the premises before the manure and other refuse becomes offensive. The structure, animals and premises shall be kept in sanitary condition so that they shall not become offensive and so that they will not harbor animal or insect pests.
1) Exemption shall be made for any land annexed into the City of Columbus which is zoned agriculture and/orcurrently has livestock and/or domestic fowl at the time of annexation.
2) This exemption shall be in force as long as this land is zoned and/or used for agricultural purposes and poses no environmental or health hazards. (Amended 3/1/92, Resolution 92-5)
(b) No person shall keep, store, maintain, shelter or care of, at any time, animals of the hog or goat kind, equine, cow, alligator, crocodile, caiman, sheep, goat, llama, captive wild fowl, and all domestic fowl in any pen or enclosure on any premise, lot or parcel of land in the City without written permission from the Health Commissioner. Anyone intending to keep such animals must first obtain a permit from the Health Commissioner.
Each pen or enclosure for such animals shall have a floor of impervious material and be under cover.
The Health Commissioner may grant permission on the above situations only after it is determined that the keeping of such animals:
(1) creates no adverse environmental or health effects;
(2) is in compliance with all other sections of this chapter; and
(3) in the judgment of the Health Commissioner, after consultation with the staff of the Health Department and with the surrounding occupants of the place of keeping such animals, and considering the nature of the community (i.e., residential or commercial single or multiple dwellings, etc. ), is reasonably inoffensive. The Health Commissioner may revoke such permission at any time for violation of this chapter or nay other just cause. (Amended 3/1/92, Resolution 92-5)
(c) No person, owning or responsible for cows, rabbits, sheep, equine, captive wild fowl and domestic fowl, shall knowingly or negligently permit any of them to run at large in any street, alley or unenclosed lot within the City. (Amended 3/1/92, Resolution 92-5)
(d) No person shall allow the house, kennel, runs, yards or the premises where dogs, cats, or other small animals are kept to become offensive due to unsanitary conditions. Dogs, cats and other small animals shall not be allowed to create an unsanitary condition on the streets, alleys or sidewalks, or premises of others.
1) Offensive, unsanitary conditions shall include but not be limited to odor, accumulated urine, urine soaked ground, feces, and rodent harborages.
2) When a owner, harborer, or keeper is cited the third time in a twelve (12) month period for unsanitaryconditions, the Health Commissioner or representative, on the recommendation of the Environmental Health staff, may limit the number of dogs, cats, or other small animals that may be maintained on a premise. (Amended 3/1/92, Resolution 92-5)
(e) No person shall allow any animal suffering from a zoonotic and/or communicable disease to run at large or to come in contact, either directly or indirectly, with any other animal or any person, except the owner or keeper of the animal, household member or a licensed veterinarian, and employees of any animal hospital, Capital Area Humane Society or Franklin County Animal Control. (Amended 3/1/92, Resolution 92-5)
(f) Upon the death of an animal the owner or keeper of the animal shall promptly notify the Division of Refuse Collection requesting the removal of the animal body or make arrangements for other proper disposition of the dead animal.
(g) No person shall stable a horse except in a stall large enough for the horse to turn around, and to be able to be bedded in a minimum depth of six (6) inches of either sawdust, wood shavings or other approved material. . (Amended 10/17/90, Resolution 90-20)
(h) No person shall operate a stable used by a horse carriage company unless the following requirements are met:
1. All stable locations shall be approved by the Health Department.
2. The stable shall be of sufficient size to house all horses, vehicles, food supplies and equipment utilized in the horse carriage company.
3. The stable is well ventilated to minimize odor, humidity and maintain temperature.
4. A minimum of forty (40) foot candles of light are provided in all stable areas.
5. Complete restroom facilities which shall include a hand sink with hot and cold running water are on the premises.
6. All windows are screened.
7. All grain or grain-type feed is stored in rodent-proof containers, hay is stored off the floor and at least eighteen (18) inches away from any wall.
8. Stalls are picked and cleaned twice daily and stripped every seven (7) days. Horses shall not be tethered, kept, washed and/or groomed outside of the stable facility, except as needed, when being worked outside of the stable facility. Horses shall not be washed while at a designated Tether Location. (Amended 10/17/90, Resolution 90-20)
lisathewaitress
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Hm. In my very humble opinion, I think if you had ever raised chickens, you might think twice about doing it, especially on a small scale where you aren't prepared for it. They are the messiest, dirtiest animals I have ever seen. Seriously. They will destroy all of your landscaping and gardening. Every once in awhile I've briefly thought about having a chicken in the city, and then I remember what it's really like having chickens and I think better of it.
Manatee
The eternal present
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I think it also makes a big difference what kind of chickens they are (noisewise), but I'd definitely just keep a few hens. Plus all the work of keeping them clean! Egads!
As for the fruit trees, +1 heritage. Usually more hardy and require less fussing-with to make edible fruit. Less likely than modern varieties to get all gnarly.
Sigh. I think I'm just about ready to move back to the country.
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