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Babies in Bars (a no-no?)
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somertimeoh
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Posted 2 years ago # -
osulew
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I don't mind sharing space with a well mannered kid in a restaurant. If I'm in an establishment that's strictly a bar, however, I don't want kids around. My issues with kids in less "family friendly" restaurants arise when the children are poorly behaved, when parents don't attempt to manage the child's behavior, or when parents act as if others should change their behavior because they decided to bring their child out after dark to a mostly adult environment...the night we were on the Tip Top patio around 10pm comes to mind. We weren't cursing uncontrollably or being excessively loud, but the patio is close quarters and the conversation was definitely not suitable for kids.
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JonMyers wrote >>
I don't have a problem with babies or children in bars, in some cases if there is a problem it would be with the parents of children.
Those would be the parents that expect you to adjust normally acceptable bar behavior to accommodate children.Yep. I feel about the same way. Really I think that it's good for kids to be around all sorts of people and get socialized at an early age.
That said, if your baby is kickin' up a fuss the whole time you're in a given spot and it's very obvious to everyone that the kid is not happy, it's probably best for both your kid and the people around you to make an early exit.
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somertimeoh
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Yeah, that was weird. That poor kid is probably scarred for life :(
But babies are awesome as long as they aren't fussing. And in those papoose things, you wouldn't even know one was around!
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osulew wrote >>
when parents act as if others should change their behavior because they decided to bring their child out after dark to a mostly adult environment...the night we were on the Tip Top patio around 10pm comes to mind.I've said it before, and I'll say it again... "Fuck that"
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somertimeoh wrote >>
Yeah, that was weird. That poor kid is probably scarred for life :(
But babies are awesome as long as they aren't fussing. And in those papoose things, you wouldn't even know one was around!You know what's worse than a baby in a bar...babies at late night R-rated movies. I can't believe how often I've seen that over the years...never goes well for anyone.
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Andrew Hall
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michaelcoyote wrote That said, if your baby is kickin' up a fuss the whole time you're in a given spot and it's very obvious to everyone that the kid is not happy, it's probably best for both your kid and the people around you to make an early exit.
If Grandma or your drunk douchebag buddy are 'kickin' up a fuss', the same hasty retreat is in order.
The behaviors are the problem, not the age or any other aspect of the person.
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Andrew Hall wrote >>
michaelcoyote wrote That said, if your baby is kickin' up a fuss the whole time you're in a given spot and it's very obvious to everyone that the kid is not happy, it's probably best for both your kid and the people around you to make an early exit.
If Grandma or your drunk douchebag buddy are 'kickin' up a fuss', the same hasty retreat is in order.
The behaviors are the problem, not the age or any other aspect of the person.
A.5 years ago I wouldn't have agreed with you, but as we grow up and mature and think about the possibility of our own lives changing, you become a lot more tolerant of other's choices, especially knowing one day you might have to make the same one.
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Andrew Hall wrote >>
michaelcoyote wrote That said, if your baby is kickin' up a fuss the whole time you're in a given spot and it's very obvious to everyone that the kid is not happy, it's probably best for both your kid and the people around you to make an early exit.
If Grandma or your drunk douchebag buddy are 'kickin' up a fuss', the same hasty retreat is in order.
The behaviors are the problem, not the age or any other aspect of the person.
A.Sure, but my point is that the parents are controlling the environment for that little person. It's up to them. Douchebag buddy and Grandma are adults and have at least notional control over the environment they put themselves in.
Oh if Granny is a racist Alzheimers patient, then taking her to a Mexican restaurant probably isn't the best idea.. Just sayin'.
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Man, this topic makes me feel like I shouldn't be planning to apply for "Mother of the Year" award any time soon, because I'd never think twice about bring my 3 month old son to a place like Surly Girl. Maybe it's because I don't consider it to be a bar, and maybe it's because I don't feel I should be stuck eating at Bob Evans for the next 18 years. We're very aware that others don't want to hear a screaming baby while they're enjoying dinner, and do our best to make sure that doesn't happen. I certainly can't imagine lowering my standards when it comes to dining establishments just because I have a child.
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DonnaTate wrote >>
Man, this topic makes me feel like I shouldn't be planning to apply for "Mother of the Year" award any time soon, because I'd never think twice about bring my 3 month old son to a place like Surly Girl. Maybe it's because I don't consider it to be a bar, and maybe it's because I don't feel I should be stuck eating at Bob Evans for the next 18 years. We're very aware that others don't want to hear a screaming baby while they're enjoying dinner, and do our best to make sure that doesn't happen. I certainly can't imagine lowering my standards when it comes to dining establishments just because I have a child.Not saying you should at all. I guess if I had kids, I'd probably go there too.
Nor do I expect that You & RoRo, Walker & Anne, Andrew & Elena or most of the others here with kids would:
a) Subject others to a kid that is very unhappy and NOT getting any happier.
b) Completely disregard/ignore their unhappy kid.
c) Have unrealistic expectations about what adults talk about with other adults in a bar after 10pm at night.I'll be honest, I've not seen a & b as that big of a problem. Most parents including the aforementioned are keenly tuned to how much their kid wants to be in a given environment. They are also quick to duck out when they see trouble brewing.
I think c is the biggest issue with me, but again, I think most rational people understand that adults talking with other adults happens in a bar and that kids are going to hear it adult language sometime in their lives.
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Oh, Donna,
I should also point out that Baby RoRo is a pretty great little guy, and it was very cool to hang out with him at Twisted Vine.
He also really seemed to like that limerick about the milkmaid. Either that or he was passing gas. (I keed, I keed)
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I'm with Michael on issue C. above. If you come into an establishment that is normally used in mass for adult drinking situations, and you expect language/topics of conversation/etc. to change just because you brought your kid in there, you're a jerk.
That's like bringing your little kid into an R rated movie and complaining because it's not appropriate. In fact, this WHOLE situation is like bringing your kid into a movie theater. If it annoys the population, remove it. If you expect the content or the patrons to change because you showed up, you're in the wrong.
Otherwise, whatever. It's your kid.
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Andrew Hall wrote >>
michaelcoyote wrote That said, if your baby is kickin' up a fuss the whole time you're in a given spot and it's very obvious to everyone that the kid is not happy, it's probably best for both your kid and the people around you to make an early exit.
If Grandma or your drunk douchebag buddy are 'kickin' up a fuss', the same hasty retreat is in order.
The behaviors are the problem, not the age or any other aspect of the person.
A.As mentioned earlier, the db buddy and grandma are adults. That means I have the full on capability to look at them dead in the eye and say "Will you shut the ____ up? I'm trying to have a conversation." These are not words that should be said to small children.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Andrew Hall
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Daz wrote >>
Andrew Hall wrote >>
michaelcoyote wrote That said, if your baby is kickin' up a fuss the whole time you're in a given spot and it's very obvious to everyone that the kid is not happy, it's probably best for both your kid and the people around you to make an early exit.
If Grandma or your drunk douchebag buddy are 'kickin' up a fuss', the same hasty retreat is in order.
The behaviors are the problem, not the age or any other aspect of the person.
A.As mentioned earlier, the db buddy and grandma are adults. That means I have the full on capability to look at them dead in the eye and say "Will you shut the ____ up? I'm trying to have a conversation." These are not words that should be said to small children.
You are more likely to provoke an esclation with "Will you shut the ____ up" in response to db than to a parent. A polite request is more reasonable in both cases.
Again, it is not about one-size-fits-all prohibitions on particular individuals, be they children or Ed-Hardy afficiandos. The basic statement is "Some people are rude." The follow-up is how to deal with that in a public environment.
A.
Posted 2 years ago # -
osulew
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So it seems that most of us are of the mindset that a baby in a bar-ish restaurant is fine as long as the baby/child is not disruptive and the parents are attentive. That's cool. I'm on board with that.
But what if we're talking liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike a bar such as the St. James Tavern...no food there, it's just a BAR. You haven't come as a family to meet friends and have some dinner and maybe a couple cocktails, the only reason to be there is to drink. I guess I see no reason why a baby or small child would ever need to be there.
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Andrew Hall
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osulew wrote
But what if we're talking liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike a bar such as the St. James Tavern...no food there, it's just a BAR... I guess I see no reason why a baby or small child would ever need to be there.To drink?
A.
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Andrew Hall wrote >>
osulew wrote
But what if we're talking liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike a bar such as the St. James Tavern...no food there, it's just a BAR... I guess I see no reason why a baby or small child would ever need to be there.To drink?
A.I can't even imagine what kinda fake ID would be needed to pull that off. :) Although sometimes at the end of the night, I admit I'd like to drink my bourbon out of a bottle or sippy cup myself.
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