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Brewmaster
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Lets face it, a vote for McCain or Huckabee is essentially a wasted trip to the voting booth at this point. Only health problems will get in the way of McCain being the Republican nominee this November.
On the Democratic side of the ticket, I think it's fair to say that this country hasn't seen a more polarizing figure since, well, Dubya. So there's two trains of thought among Republicans I've spoken with.
1) Vote Obama - clearly the lesser of two evils on the democratic side, and not a bad fall back option should McCain not be elected president in November.
2) Vote Hillary - McCain doesn't have a good chance at beating Obama in November, so why not take your chances and put him up against a very beatable, polarazing opponent? This is clearly a ballsy move, because McCain might not have a great chance of being elected even up against the likes of Hillary.
Not that there are many Repubicans on this message board, but which option are y'all leaning towards?

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Brewmaster wrote Not that there are many Repubicans on this message board, but which option are y'all leaning towards?
My father, die hard right wing maniac (he campaigned for Goldwater)...is voting for Hillary for exactly the reason you stated. He thinks McCain can beat her.

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I'm voting for Obama for just the reasons you mentioned. And because I am the only Independent in a very RED family (mom, dad, sisters, brothers-in-law, uncles, everyone) who are salivating in the hopes that Hillary wins so they can wear their I Hate Hillary T-Shirts and rally behind McCain. They can't wait to vote against her, and they're sad that she's losing. Oh, and they've finally stopped calling Obama "Osama" which is a good sign! :lol: A vote for Hillary, in my world, is delicious raw meat for my rabid family, and my family's a very 'average', normal kind of group. Don't give them meat, please. :o

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Brewmaster
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Coremodels wrote
Brewmaster wrote Not that there are many Repubicans on this message board, but which option are y'all leaning towards?
My father, die hard right wing maniac (he campaigned for Goldwater)...is voting for Hillary for exactly the reason you stated. He thinks McCain can beat her.
Ha! My dad is cancelling out your dad's vote! He even listens to [gasp] Rush Limbaugh!

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gramarye
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I'm voting Hillary in the primary, but will probably vote McCain in the general. That said, I'm neither firmly left nor firmly right, and I'm voting Hillary in the primary because I don't think it will be all that bad if either of them win the presidency ... whereas I get really nervous thinking about the Audacity of Hype getting the keys to the kingdom. I don't like idealists and dreamers.

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^ You would hate me then! :lol:

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The whole "change" thing is really getting on my nerves.
Be about it, don't talk about it.

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Ndcent wrote The whole "change" thing is really getting on my nerves.
Be about it, don't talk about it.
LOL...Hillary told you that, didn't she ;)

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Coremodels wrote
Ndcent wrote The whole "change" thing is really getting on my nerves.
Be about it, don't talk about it.
LOL...Hillary told you that, didn't she ;)
McCain. Heard it on the radio this am, I think he called Obama's "change" empty.
I agree.

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Ndcent wrote
Coremodels wrote
Ndcent wrote The whole "change" thing is really getting on my nerves.
Be about it, don't talk about it.
LOL...Hillary told you that, didn't she ;)
McCain. Heard it on the radio this am, I think he called Obama's "change" empty.
I agree.
Oh, don't get me wrong...I think McCain of the real candidate of change...changing his mind and vote :lol:

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Ndcent wrote McCain. Heard it on the radio this am, I think he called Obama's "change" empty.
I agree.
I don't know about 'empty', I'm more concerned about what direction it might take if it isn't empty...

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You know, I've heard the talk about "empty" too...but I seriously challenge you to view all three candidates "Issues" sections and then tell me who has the most specific and least specific plans detailed for the future. You may be surprised...
http://www.barackobama.com
http://www.hillaryclinton.com
http://www.johnmccain.com
My opinion, Obama is by far the most detailed...and McCain by far the least.

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Brewmaster
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Drew wrote
Ndcent wrote McCain. Heard it on the radio this am, I think he called Obama's "change" empty.
I agree.
I don't know about 'empty', I'm more concerned about what direction it might take if it isn't empty...
I'm concerned more about the direction the country would take if McCain got into office. That is, the same direction we've been heading for the past 6 years. More war, more empire building, fewer expenditures on our own crumbling infrastructure.
He might be able to finally get something done about immigration, so that's a plus. But I get tired of all of the fear mongering.

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Brewmaster
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gramarye wrote I'm voting Hillary in the primary, but will probably vote McCain in the general. That said, I'm neither firmly left nor firmly right, and I'm voting Hillary in the primary because I don't think it will be all that bad if either of them win the presidency ... whereas I get really nervous thinking about the Audacity of Hype getting the keys to the kingdom. I don't like idealists and dreamers.
That's the first time I've heard that one. You definitely kill my attempt at generalizing voters. :lol:

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Walker
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Ndcent wrote The whole "change" thing is really getting on my nerves.
Be about it, don't talk about it.
Every campaigning politician is all talk. Because that's all they can be.
You can't really get to the "being" part until you get the job, right?

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Walker wrote
Ndcent wrote The whole "change" thing is really getting on my nerves.
Be about it, don't talk about it.
Every campaigning politician is all talk. Because that's all they can be.
You can't really get to the "being" part until you get the job, right?
True. I guess I'm just tired of his campain brand "Change."

Posted 4 years ago #
Roscoe

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Don't forget your local candidates!
I live in Union County and there are several important local positions that all have 2 or more primary candidates on the Republican slate, but most have zero Democratic opponents. Whoever wins the Republican primary will most likely be running unopposed in the general election. Regardless of your politics, not voting as a Republican here is giving up your voice in local politics.
The same is probably true wherever you live, would you rather elect someone you disagree with to make decisions for the country, or for your neighborhood?

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Brewmaster
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Roscoe wrote The same is probably true wherever you live, would you rather elect someone you disagree with to make decisions for the country, or for your neighborhood?
I'm thinking the former is probably more important than the latter for most voters. Most voters don't even recognize the names on the ballot for the local folks. If you're aware of any specific local races among Columbus Republicans, I'd be interested in hearing about them though.

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Roscoe

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Brewmaster wrote If you're aware of any specific local races among Columbus Republicans, I'd be interested in hearing about them though.
Looks like whichever side you favor, Congressional Reps and County Commissioners are up in Franklin County.
These are the people that care about our community and we interact with when we get involved, the President is important, but doesn't have the immediate impact on our lives that local government does. You're right though, most people don't care as much about the local politicians.
Here's the BOE webiste, the Candidate List pdf shows them all.
http://vote.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/

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Coremodels wrote You know, I've heard the talk about "empty" too...but I seriously challenge you to view all three candidates "Issues" sections and then tell me who has the most specific and least specific plans detailed for the future. You may be surprised...
http://www.barackobama.com
http://www.hillaryclinton.com
http://www.johnmccain.com
My opinion, Obama is by far the most detailed...and McCain by far the least.
I don't tend to take the position statements terribly seriously. They're all saying what they think is most appealing in this stage of the election cycle, and I'm not convinced it'll reflect actual policy too much.
Generally speaking, McCain is a known quantity. He's had to go against his better judgement recently in order to bring the Republican base into the fold, but I think you can get a pretty good sense of what he'll bring. I was watching him closely when he ran against Bush, I think he's just adjusting things a bit this time around based upon that previous experience. Clinton will likely be a triangulator- anyone with any strong political affiliation will dislike her, but she'll most closely reflect the will of the people as a whole in her policy.
Barack... who knows? He has an extremely liberal voting record, and if he can generate consensus by virtue of his charisma, where will that take us? I have no idea... could be good, could be bad. The guy drives me absolutely schizo... the optimist in me wants to love him, but the realist has big concerns.

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