agtw31
columbus
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local rail is the answer,not statewide.
that's the mistake that's being made,and Strickland has to know this.
if you want to go to Cleveland or Cinci,and you don't own a car,do what folks have been doing for more than 50 years.
jump on a frigging Greyhound bus.
somertimeoh
Harrison West
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There's even less support for local rail. So now what?
groundrules
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tree_sketcher
Columbus
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agtw31 wrote >>
local rail is the answer,not statewide.
that's the mistake that's being made,and Strickland has to know this.
if you want to go to Cleveland or Cinci,and you don't own a car,do what folks have been doing for more than 50 years.
jump on a frigging Greyhound bus.
What happened when the interstate highway system was built? Cross-country travel became faster and more efficient, but so did local commuting. The same can happen with the 3C - local, more frequent commuter lines will eventually be a part of the system, just like the NE corridor, Chicago Metra, etc. Again, this is step one.
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Central City Recording wrote >>
I'm about fucking done with the lack of forward thinking in this town. We are now WAY behind the ball on rail transit of all kinds - local, regional, high speed or not. People squash ideas because they're not big enough, people squash ideas because they're too big. Seriously, if the powers that be don't get this right (transit) EVERYTHING else going on in this city if FOR NOT.
ETA - I see the 3C as a start, not an end, and if we continue to be afraid or unwilling to start something around here, we will never finish anything.
+1 ... the bickering in this state is ridiculous and which is why the world is passing us by. I tried doing a bit googling to see if a train was ever built that failed (a train going out of commission due to old technology doesn't count) and couldn't find one. Prove to me that people won't ride it and I'm on board, but as of now all I see is evidence that people like to ride trains.
Also, the proof has to be from after the train was built.
johnwirtz
Glenview, IL
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jawjack187 wrote >>
I think we have to be realistic. I would love to take a train to Cleveland, but if it does not cut down on my travel time, I will take my car. It is that simple, and I think there are alot of people who also feel that way.
I'm sure the majority of people feel that way, but there's also a significant minority of people who do not have the choice to take a car or prefer not to so they can use their travel time more productively. I don't get the whole "if I won't use it then it must suck" mindset.
10sun
Columbus, OH
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surber17 wrote >>
Central City Recording wrote >>
I'm about fucking done with the lack of forward thinking in this town. We are now WAY behind the ball on rail transit of all kinds - local, regional, high speed or not. People squash ideas because they're not big enough, people squash ideas because they're too big. Seriously, if the powers that be don't get this right (transit) EVERYTHING else going on in this city if FOR NOT.
ETA - I see the 3C as a start, not an end, and if we continue to be afraid or unwilling to start something around here, we will never finish anything.+1 ... the bickering in this state is ridiculous and which is why the world is passing us by. I tried doing a bit googling to see if a train was ever built that failed (a train going out of commission due to old technology doesn't count) and couldn't find one. Prove to me that people won't ride it and I'm on board, but as of now all I see is evidence that people like to ride trains.
Also, the proof has to be from after the train was built.
Orient Express went under.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121365224&live=1
This was after over a century though.
jawjack187
Columbus
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Walker wrote >>
jawjack187 wrote >>
I think we have to be realistic. I would love to take a train to Cleveland, but if it does not cut down on my travel time, I will take my car. It is that simple, and I think there are alot of people who also feel that way.How about the people who don't own cars? Or can't drive? Do they agree with you?
I said a lot, not all. Those who have no personal vehicle, well how do they get around currently? Bus, rent a car? Catch a ride, take a flight. I understand we all want to get started. I just have a disagreement on what to get started on. "High Drag rail" is not attractive for the future. I think it would get built, people would not ride it in large numbers, and folks would say, "See, there's the reason we don't need high speed." We need HIGH SPEED RAIL now! Not just rail, but high speed. It is the only way.
johnwirtz
Glenview, IL
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jawjack187 wrote >>
Walker wrote >>
jawjack187 wrote >>
I think we have to be realistic. I would love to take a train to Cleveland, but if it does not cut down on my travel time, I will take my car. It is that simple, and I think there are alot of people who also feel that way.How about the people who don't own cars? Or can't drive? Do they agree with you?
I said a lot, not all. Those who have no personal vehicle, well how do they get around currently? Bus, rent a car? Catch a ride, take a flight.
Stay home?
I think everyone would rather have HSR, but I don't think that means a starter line that could lead to HSR in the future isn't worth doing.
Charlie
Victorian Village
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Have there been any studies done to compare costs of Regular Rail vs High Speed rail? I'd be interested in "how much more" HSR would cost, what are issues etc. While I'd like to see a start regardless, I think it would be very cool if Ohio took the lead on HSR. Maybe other states would follow us.
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Lakee911 wrote >>
When you have a gun in your hand there are lots of options. :)
QFT... :)
More to the topic, the question "Can we afford to subsidize this rail project" is interesting. I don't expect public transportation to make a profit but are we ( as a state ) willing to cut, say, education funding to pay for this?
jawjack187
Columbus
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Charlie wrote >>
Have there been any studies done to compare costs of Regular Rail vs High Speed rail? I'd be interested in "how much more" HSR would cost, what are issues etc. While I'd like to see a start regardless, I think it would be very cool if Ohio took the lead on HSR. Maybe other states would follow us.
+1
I cannot understand for the life of me why people don't get this.
Rus has a point too. Is this a priority over education, employment, health care, etc. The truth is that snail rail "could" fail, and so "could" HSR, but which one would you make an investment of your personal resources in? Would you increase your taxes to fund it, only to use it a "few" times throughout the year? Is the 3C more important than say a local rail line? If given your choice, which would you rather have, 3C or a rail line in Columbus?
paktinat
WP
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Also, I propose we should stop building simple snail roadways. it's obvious that everyone in the state will only want to use multi-lane high speed freeways because that's where I like to drive. no one will ever want to take a country drive on a sunday so lets stop funding these stupid country roadways and pour all that money into I-71. If it's not high speed, its not worth it.
futureman
Grandview Heights
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Charlie wrote >>
Have there been any studies done to compare costs of Regular Rail vs High Speed rail? I'd be interested in "how much more" HSR would cost, what are issues etc. While I'd like to see a start regardless, I think it would be very cool if Ohio took the lead on HSR. Maybe other states would follow us.
Going off Florida, it'll cost 2.5 billion for 80 miles. The 3C is 260 miles long so an extremely rough idea would be 8.1 billion to make it a 160mph (max) line.
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I recall that doing the 110mph (max, no idea about average) 3C would be in ball park of 1.2 billion. Though I'm not 100% sure.
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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jawjack187 wrote >>
If given your choice, which would you rather have, 3C or a rail line in Columbus?
Daydreaming is fine and dandy, but we're not being given that choice, so that question really has no relevance to the discussion at hand.
We ARE being given the choice of spending $400M on a starter passenger rail network that we can later upgrade to higher speeds, OR giving the money back to the feds so that they can reallocate it to another another state/region and ending up with nothing in Ohio.
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