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Wow. I have always had concerns about the speed of this thing. If it is not high speed, and I mean Euro High Speed, it is not worth it. Period.
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jawjack187
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Central City Recording
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I'm about fucking done with the lack of forward thinking in this town. We are now WAY behind the ball on rail transit of all kinds - local, regional, high speed or not. People squash ideas because they're not big enough, people squash ideas because they're too big. Seriously, if the powers that be don't get this right (transit) EVERYTHING else going on in this city if FOR NOT.
ETA - I see the 3C as a start, not an end, and if we continue to be afraid or unwilling to start something around here, we will never finish anything.
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jawjack187
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I think we have to be realistic. I would love to take a train to Cleveland, but if it does not cut down on my travel time, I will take my car. It is that simple, and I think there are alot of people who also feel that way.
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Rockmastermike
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jawjack187 wrote >>
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/02/18/train-block.html?sid=101
Wow. I have always had concerns about the speed of this thing. If it is not high speed, and I mean Euro High Speed, it is not worth it. Period.Such thinking ensures that nothing will ever get done. Period. End of story.
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jawjack187 wrote >>
I think we have to be realistic. I would love to take a train to Cleveland, and if it allows me to get work done in transit and not get caught in a traffic snarl on 1-71, I will use the train. It is that simple, and I think there are alot of people who also feel that way.or it could be restated as above.
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article:
"Five of the seven members of the bipartisan Controlling Board, a state spending panel, would have to go along with Strickland for the train plan to become reality. That means at least one Republican would have to go along."
i don't see this happening,since Strickland is dead meat in the next election.
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jawjack187
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
jawjack187 wrote >>
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/02/18/train-block.html?sid=101
Wow. I have always had concerns about the speed of this thing. If it is not high speed, and I mean Euro High Speed, it is not worth it. Period.Such thinking ensures that nothing will ever get done. Period. End of story.
I am not certain what you feel would be beneficial. Would you propose spending money to get 3C rail going, at a low rate of speed, knowing that very few people would use it? I do not see how we benefit as a State if we move forward with a project that people aren't going to use, just for the sake of saying we "started something". If we build it, and it fails, we will never get to the end result that I would approve of (which is high speed). Building a line for building a line's sake is not responsible, in my opinion. Do it right the first time or don't do it at all.
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Walker
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jawjack187 wrote >>
I think we have to be realistic. I would love to take a train to Cleveland, but if it does not cut down on my travel time, I will take my car. It is that simple, and I think there are alot of people who also feel that way.How about the people who don't own cars? Or can't drive? Do they agree with you?
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tree_sketcher
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yeah, the negativity and ridiculous political resistance to even minor change in this state is enough to frustrate a person into leaving... Why doesnt Bill Harris send a letter to Strickland about other transportation projects that we "can't" afford? The total operating cost of this system is less than 1 percent of the total ODOT annual budget, and thats BEFORE any sort of sponsorship. There are clear questions with this plan (as with any transportation project), but this is a pretty obvious attempt by Republicans to turn a big victory for Strickland into campaign fodder. After all, the Ohio Hub plan, of which the 3-C is a first step, was started under Taft...
This project is a huge step forward into implementing the rail public transit system that many folks here on CU agree is necessary. We are starting from almost scratch here in Ohio, and this is step One. The speeds will improve over time, and ridership will increase, but we need to get step one out of the way so we can fund improvements. There is a minimum of another 3.5 Billion in federal money floating out there right now for 2010 and 2011 alone. I would suggest we e-mail Bill Harris and the members of the controlling board to express our support for the project.
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somertimeoh
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I think people have to stop looking at public mass trans as the be all end all to everyone's transportation needs. It's about choices and right now we don't have many. There are people that live in NYC and never take public transportation. There will be people that live here and never do. That's fine, but you can't say that it's not a good idea just because you wouldn't personally benefit directly!
I can't wait for the 70/71 cluster eff to start and people start bitching about traffic and since no one will have any option other than dealing with it, maybe then we'll get some mass trans support.
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Rockmastermike
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jawjack187 wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
jawjack187 wrote >>
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/02/18/train-block.html?sid=101
Wow. I have always had concerns about the speed of this thing. If it is not high speed, and I mean Euro High Speed, it is not worth it. Period.Such thinking ensures that nothing will ever get done. Period. End of story.
I am not certain what you feel would be beneficial. Would you propose spending money to get 3C rail going, at a low rate of speed, knowing that very few people would use it? I do not see how we benefit as a State if we move forward with a project that people aren't going to use, just for the sake of saying we "started something". If we build it, and it fails, we will never get to the end result that I would approve of (which is high speed). Building a line for building a line's sake is not responsible, in my opinion. Do it right the first time or don't do it at all.
Saying "nobody will use it" ignores the mountain of evidence that says that people WILL use it. It ignores the millions of passengers who use rail lines just like this every day.
I'll add to that my own anecdotal evidence. Case in point: The even SLOWER line from Cinci to DC... that takes 15 hours to get to DC... that leaves cinci IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT (about 3 am) just to make it even LESS convenient to those who take it....
1) was near capacity the first time I rode 4 years ago.
2) was PACKED the last time I took it 2 years ago and there were several more cars added to the train compared to my previous trip.
3) SOLD OUT when I tried to take it last year. I couldn't even buy a ticket!
Anecdotal to be sure, but there is plenty of other evidence... enough to convince ODOT, the feds, and a whole host of people who know more about this than you or I.
The ability to move goods and people in the most efficient way possible is something that the state SHOULD have a vested interest in. The benefit of upgrading current rail infrastructure incrementally and funded over time to support passengers and then high speed passengers is huge, both in terms of politics and immediate benefit per dollar spent. It is far greater benefit to the citizens than proposing a massively expensive high speed system that, even if it received funding, would take perhaps a decade before anyone could use it at all, at any speed.
We can sit and debate this on CU until we're blue but it would be pointless because people who know more about this than you or I have already done so, have studied the issues involved, and have concluded that this is the right thing to do at this point.
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Walker
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somertimeoh
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I can't tell if people here just haven't been exposed to much public trans and that's why they don't understand it, if it's just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.
I can definitely see this scenario for myself a few times a year - take train to Cleveland after work on Friday. Check in to hotel (last April Angel and I stayed at the Doubletree downtown for less than $50, cheap!), dinner and drinks downtown. Saturday hit an Indians or Cavs game. Train home after game (no one has to stay sober and everyone can pass out!!). Or go down Sat and do Browns game on Sunday. If they are smart and worked with the cities event calendars, do a same day out and back to go to a baseball or football game. Insert all kinds of other activities though - concert, theater event, etc. Am I just crazy? This all seems absolutely reasonable. Add in a shuttle to venues outside of downtown like Blossom and you've got some real options for travel.
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somertimeoh wrote >>
I can't tell if people here just haven't been exposed to much public trans and that's why they don't understand it, if it's just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.
I can definitely see this scenario for myself a few times a year - take train to Cleveland after work on Friday. Check in to hotel (last April Angel and I stayed at the Doubletree downtown for less than $50, cheap!), dinner and drinks downtown. Saturday hit an Indians or Cavs game. Train home after game (no one has to stay sober and everyone can pass out!!). Or go down Sat and do Browns game on Sunday. If they are smart and worked with the cities event calendars, do a same day out and back to go to a baseball or football game. Insert all kinds of other activities though - concert, theater event, etc. Am I just crazy? This all seems absolutely reasonable. Add in a shuttle to venues outside of downtown like Blossom and you've got some real options for travel.Not to mention there are plenty of people who just aren't that fond of driving. I'd much rather spend three hours reading, writing, or drawing than I would two hours driving. Depending on how the seats were designed, families (or groups of four) could sit facing each other and play board games on the trip. I don't think that the 3C project would serve as commuter rail (for most people) but it would be great as a tourism engine. I haven't been up to Cleveland in years, and I don't have any real plans to drive up there now, but if I could take the train up there for a weekend (or even for a day) I'd do it in a heart beat.
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