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Core_Models
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I have no interest in jumping further into this debate, been there and done that...BUT...I did want to point out that Corby's show on 610 tonight was "phone in with your train stories", and every one I heard was really positive.

Posted 2 years ago #
chucky

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We'll talk again in January 2011.

Walker wrote >>

chucky wrote >>
Would you support for OHIO the enhanced faster Chicago - Pittsburgh proposal?

If it is a REAL proposal, sure. I want to see better rail connectivity all over this country. I just don't think that your tactics of slamming one rail line in favor of another is very productive from a "network" perspective. There's really no reason why we can't do the 3C first while the opportunity is sitting in our laps before adding other lines and systems.

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johnwirtz
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chucky wrote >>
But Strickland still hasn't come up with a plan to fund it. It can not come out of fuel taxes by law, which leaves the general funds.
The general funding is where the vast majority of cuts are going to come from next year and beyond.

gramarye wrote >>

chucky wrote >>
When Ohio is looking at an 8 billion dollar budget deficit next year and the years beyond, telling the voters back home you support funding cuts for law enforcement and schools for this is a tough sell. It's an impossible sell.

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chucky wrote >>
The 3C will not get funding as there is no chance it would ever break even.

I will assume you mean break even in the sense of farebox recovery ratio and not a cost-benefit analysis. Nevertheless, I think that's an unreasonable standard to expect. There are only about two trains in the world that cover their costs through fares (Paris-Lyon and Tokyo-Osaka). Providing a rail line isn't about making money. It's about providing the population with choices, diversifying our investments, hedging against future gas price spikes, and moving large groups of people in the most energy and space-efficient way possible.

What funding cuts for law enforcement and schools? This would be a vote to *accept* money that can be used for *no other purpose,* not to redirect money currently earmarked for law enforcement and/or schools. No one needs to tell their constituents that they support taking money from schools or law enforcement for this.
Also, the GOP has no problems whatsoever taking money from schools, and neither do most of the GOP's core voters when school levies come up for direct democratic votes.

I thought the plan was to use the revenue from the blue advertising signs?

The other option is of course to change the law that only allows transportation money to be used for one mode.

I would expect the train to save Ohioans more money than it costs them. They can then invest that money in other ways that will benefit the economy and tax revenues.

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lifeontwowheels
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Core_Models wrote >>
I have no interest in jumping further into this debate, been there and done that...BUT...I did want to point out that Corby's show on 610 tonight was "phone in with your train stories", and every one I heard was really positive.

I caught about 3-4 of those and only 1 was negative. The train was delayed due to a chemical spill down the track or something, so they stuck people on a school bus to the destination and a Greyhound back.

Posted 2 years ago #
cmhcow
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bman wrote >>
What type of payback would be justifiable for a project like this? Just because it is green does not make it sensible. To me this project would be like connecting Evansville Indiana to Indianapolis to Fort Wayne, not sure of the value. Times are tough right now, I think we need to intelligently spend our resources and if paying for a study to see if we should spend the money on this connectivity is intelligent then do it, but don't do it just because it is thinking outside the box and green.
And btw, I might be old but I am far from conservative, but try to be fiscally sound.

1. There are a heck of a lot more people living in the 3-C corridor than the Indiana example you site. Millions more. Literally.

2. Payback? Well, since you have to buy a ticket to get on a train, payback will significantly exceed that of the freeway system (note the word "free" appears in freeway). with the exception of a few toll roads and bridges, the interstate highway system is financed by taxpayers in order to ensure people in places like Kellogg, Idaho and Deer Lodge, Montana can get to Filmore, Utah. Where's the payback there?

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