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1 in 4 South Af. Men Has Raped
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Nitsud Regnifloh
Valerio Heights
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what a sad situation....i think they worded it best when they called it an epidemic. it truly is.
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mitchellosu
Merion Village
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South Africa has really devolved into near chaos in the last few years. Zuma, the new president, once said that he warded off aids by taking a shower, he is a polygamist!, constantly accused of corruption, and he is illiterate. A far cry from Nelson Mandela. I would not be suprised to see a Zimbabwe-style decline.
I know the rape epidemic isn't really Zuma's fault, but the he himself has been accused of rape and it does go to show the direction the country is moving in.
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Core_Models
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One of the more interesting things I've read on the subject is here:
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SusanB
Hungarian Village, Columbus' fastest growing Gayborhood!
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Meanwhile, in the USofA:
A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.
A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, spoke before a House panel investigating the way the military handles reports of sexual assault.
She said she recently visited a Veterans Affairs hospital in the Los Angeles area, where women told her horror stories of being raped in the military.
"My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41 percent of the female veterans seen there say they were victims of sexual assault while serving in the military," said Harman, who has long sought better protection of women in the military.
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mitchellosu
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SusanB wrote >>
Meanwhile, in the USofA:
A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.
A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, spoke before a House panel investigating the way the military handles reports of sexual assault.
She said she recently visited a Veterans Affairs hospital in the Los Angeles area, where women told her horror stories of being raped in the military.
"My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41 percent of the female veterans seen there say they were victims of sexual assault while serving in the military," said Harman, who has long sought better protection of women in the military.NPR recently did a story about a female officer who was raped by one of her subordinates.
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berdawn
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Speaking of women in the military: LaVena Johnson
In July 2005, 19-year-old Johnson became the first female soldier from Missouri to die in Iraq. She was found with a broken nose, black eye and loose teeth, acid burns on her genitals, presumably to eliminate DNA evidence of rape, a trail of blood leading away from her tent and a bullet hole in her head. Army investigators ruled her death a suicide.Posted 2 years ago # -
TaraK
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Speaking of women in the military: LaVena Johnson
In July 2005, 19-year-old Johnson became the first female soldier from Missouri to die in Iraq. She was found with a broken nose, black eye and loose teeth, acid burns on her genitals, presumably to eliminate DNA evidence of rape, a trail of blood leading away from her tent and a bullet hole in her head. Army investigators ruled her death a suicide.This is a very publicized but important example of why tons of military operating procedures need to be opened up, examined, and changed. Especially regarding rape in the military, which also happen to male officers.
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Uncommonsense55
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As retired U.S. Army Reserve Colonel, Ann Wright, noted, one in three women who join the military will be raped or sexually assaulted by servicemen. Of the 94 military women who died in Iraq or during Operation Iraqi Freedom, 36 died from injuries unrelated to combat. While a number of them were ruled as suicides and homicides, 15 deaths remain which smell of suspicion. For example, eight women from Fort Hood, Texas died of so-called “non-combat related injuries†at Camp Taji, three of whom were raped before their deaths.
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Bear
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It's worth noting that it's hard to say how much of this phenomenon is due to the myth that having sex with a virgin can cure AIDS.
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TaraK
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It's worth noting that it's hard to say how much of this phenomenon is due to the myth that having sex with a virgin can cure AIDS.
And that myth, though, is contained within and enabled by the larger cultural expectation that men identify themselves through domination. Always bad when one group normalizes having power over another group, whether a gender, race, or colonial subject.
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Tenzo
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I'm in no way defending any of this
But sexual assault does not equal rape.
To say 41% of the women were sexually assaulted then say x was raped and y was raped is missleading at best and makes me question the statistics.Heck, I've had women grab my ass (in my younger days)in bars. I've even had a woman reach down the front of my pants that I just worked with and had no interest.
Rape? Not so much
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nexttuesday
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That's the most trollish comment I've read in a while. This thread isn't about what is or is not "sexual assault." Unless those events happened in South Africa, I don't know what they have to do with this topic.
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Bear
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TaraK wrote >>
It's worth noting that it's hard to say how much of this phenomenon is due to the myth that having sex with a virgin can cure AIDS.
And that myth, though, is contained within and enabled by the larger cultural expectation that men identify themselves through domination. Always bad when one group normalizes having power over another group, whether a gender, race, or colonial subject.That implies one of two interesting counterfactuals: that if men didn't identify themselves through domination, either the myth never would have spread, or it would spread, and the men, having contracted AIDS and believing that the cure was within their grasp, wouldn't find some way to justify it to themselves.
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TaraK
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Heck, I've had women grab my ass (in my younger days)in bars. I've even had a woman reach down the front of my pants that I just worked with and had no interest.
Rape? Not so much
That's a pretty broad spectrum, and if you're familiar with the situation I think it's safe to say these aren't any crotch grabs. Rape is wide-spread. Besides, the men themselves were open about the acts.
That said, I don't mean to downplay any trauma of your own personal violation.
That implies one of two interesting counterfactuals: that if men didn't identify themselves through domination, either the myth never would have spread, or it would spread, and the men, having contracted AIDS and believing that the cure was within their grasp, wouldn't find some way to justify it to themselves.
I don't really get it. Domination means believing that one group has less rights than you and that you have rights over them. The connections described are possible, but not the only ones. They would require a lot introspective analysis, which isn't really involved in, "Do I rape this baby to wash away my possible disease through the transference of mystical virgin purity?"
AGAIN, though, it's not all that kind of rape. A lot of this IS just about power plays between opposing political groups, tribes, etc. Raping women is a way of kind of spitting on the other group. It's defiling, overtaking them.
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Core_Models
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TaraK wrote >>
AGAIN, though, it's not all that kind of rape. A lot of this IS just about power plays between opposing political groups, tribes, etc. Raping women is a way of kind of spitting on the other group. It's defiling, overtaking them.
I'm not sure that's really all that accurate in the case of South Africa, at least according to the study I linked to above.
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TaraK
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AGAIN, though, it's not all that kind of rape. A lot of this IS just about power plays between opposing political groups, tribes, etc. Raping women is a way of kind of spitting on the other group. It's defiling, overtaking them.
I'm not sure that's really all that accurate in the case of South Africa, at least according to the study I linked to above.
Majority of the rape victims are women. Child rape is the rape committed to "cure" AIDS. Women who are raped are raped for reasons of power, punishment, and political tension. For more information about the numbers of women who are raped and the numbers of child rapes: go to this site. (That said, I don't think there's a need to distinguish between child rape and the rape of women OTHER THAN for statistical purposes.) It also details some of the really unfortunate attitudes about rape, such as:Of South African men who knew somebody who had been raped, 16 percent believed that the rape survivor had enjoyed the experience and had asked for it. Clearly larger societal attitudes are at fault.
South Africa is also well known for their practice of "corrective" rape, or rape to punish women who have some sexual "misconduct," such as not wanting to have sex with husbands, etc. Here's an article that looks at the horrible situation of lesbians who are raped to "correct" them.
From the article:
Research shows 86 per cent of black lesbians from the Western Cape live in fear of sexual assault. Triangle, a gay rights organisation, said it deals with up to 10 new cases of "corrective rape" every week
.Clearly, the emerging pattern is that dominating and, specifically, raping women is accepted and normalized in the culture, and that within that scenario it becomes a commonplace. It's used to punish women, to express and fuel political/tribal/regional tensions, to claim or defile women, to "cure" AIDS. The larger social consciousness of it has to be changed first.
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