http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos ColumbusUnderground.com Messageboard en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:44:53 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/search.php http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-232188 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:54:15 +0000 Walker 232188@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>Answers can be found here:</p> <p><a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/questions-answered-on-the-ohio-casino-proposal" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbusunderground.com/questions-answered-on-the-ohio-casino-proposal</a> </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-231289 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:21:25 +0000 Walker 231289@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>I've been a little delayed with the audio transcription since it was recorded. End of summer / beginning of fall = intern shortage. ;)</p> <p>Should have it up in the next day or two. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-231023 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:54:39 +0000 Brant 231023@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>Did you post the answers for this already? Sorry, but I couldn't seem to find the link for them on my own.</p> <p>ETA: I've been wondering if the GCAC is supporting Issue 3. I figure a casino would increase tourism, which means more people staying in hotels, which increases revenue from the bed tax, which funds the GCAC, which supports local artists and arts orgs.</p> <p>Other thoughts on this? </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227930 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:39:18 +0000 Walker 227930@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>All wrapped up. Will have the answers up tomorrow. :D </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227927 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:26:24 +0000 Walker 227927@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>Any last minute questions? I'm on the phone with them right now. ;) </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227885 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:22:30 +0000 nexttuesday 227885@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>I am for casinos, and have voted for them in the past. I even understand that they would want to put it on the ballot again, eventually. But this year, only one year after it just failed? This is just a guess, but I'm pretty sure LESS democrats will be voting in this election, so their chances of passing it are even less than they were last year. I suppose the people who stand to profit from the casinos can afford to spend millions if it will make them tens of millions later, but it really seems like a wasted effort to try this year. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227882 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:16 +0000 David S Lewis 227882@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>Matthew wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227862"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> Five or ten year re-votes are a great idea. Perhaps that would be the legal loophole necessary to keep casinos good on their promises.</p></blockquote> <p>That does seem like a good idea, but that creates a political situation that seems easy to exploit and a motivating factor for casino lobbyists to really help out some politicians, unless you mean a public referendum, which would probably just about shut down the operator's interest in building the casinos. No other kind of development is subjected to anything like that, and it would be a weird way for them bet billions of dollars are building the things...although I enjoy the irony in requiring the casinos to take a huge gamble. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227862 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:44:55 +0000 Matthew 227862@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>Five or ten year re-votes are a great idea. Perhaps that would be the legal loophole necessary to keep casinos good on their promises. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227845 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:15:11 +0000 Bear 227845@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>Matthew wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227830"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite></p> <blockquote><p><cite>Bear wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227786"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite></p> <blockquote><p><cite>Matthew wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227718"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> As far as lamenting about when they might stop asking the voters. If you are so against it then keep voting against it. Seriously, it is as simple as hitting a little box on a screen. I want them to keep asking for it so that I can keep voting yes. Blast away. </p></blockquote> <p>I'm envisioning a world ten years from now with casinos in Ohio and a movement afoot to ban them, much like the movement to get rid of payday loan operations, and I suspect at that point you'd be a much less ardent democrat. </p></blockquote> <p>Well then I may just surprise you. </p></blockquote> <p>Excellent.</p> <p>The prospect would actually bother me a lot less if it were up for a referendum every year, regardless of whether it passed or not, or only (say) once a decade. But as it stands it sounds a lot like the proponents are just going to keep returning it to the polls and hoping for that one fluke 50.1% victory that will be very difficult to undo once it's been passed into law. And that hardly sounds like respecting the will of the people. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227836 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:00:43 +0000 ChesterRock 227836@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>heresthecasey wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227379"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> Why do they refuse to accept "<strong><u>NO</u></strong>" as an answer and continue to harass Ohioans every year?</blockquote> Just like the School levies, just keep harassing people until it passes!! </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227830 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:39:04 +0000 Matthew 227830@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>Bear wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227786"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite></p> <blockquote><p><cite>Matthew wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227718"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> As far as lamenting about when they might stop asking the voters. If you are so against it then keep voting against it. Seriously, it is as simple as hitting a little box on a screen. I want them to keep asking for it so that I can keep voting yes. Blast away.</p></blockquote> <p>I'm envisioning a world ten years from now with casinos in Ohio and a movement afoot to ban them, much like the movement to get rid of payday loan operations, and I suspect at that point you'd be a much less ardent democrat.</p></blockquote> <p>Well then I may just surprise you. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227786 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:56:42 +0000 Bear 227786@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>Matthew wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227718"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> As far as lamenting about when they might stop asking the voters. If you are so against it then keep voting against it. Seriously, it is as simple as hitting a little box on a screen. I want them to keep asking for it so that I can keep voting yes. Blast away.</p></blockquote> <p>I'm envisioning a world ten years from now with casinos in Ohio and a movement afoot to ban them, much like the movement to get rid of payday loan operations, and I suspect at that point you'd be a much less ardent democrat. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227780 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:49:18 +0000 chaptal 227780@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>Matthew wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227718"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> People are going to spend their money the way they want to. At least casinos bring in huge tax revenues for cities and states. They also help tourism, hotels, etc. Having been employed by casinos in Indiana back in the day, I can tell you that the state put a lot of guidelines on the casinos. The casinos were responsbible for funding addiction courses for alcohol, nicotine, and gaming. If they recognized players with gaming addictions they were required by law to remove them, and we removed plenty of people for it. It wasn't just some obscure rule that nobody remembered. In Indiana the IGC had guys watching everything under cover. They drove nice cars, and received great steady paychecks. IGC was an arm of the state patrol, and there was a waiting list a year long for those jobs. The government holds the key to how good or bad casinos will be in Ohio.<br /> As far as lamenting about when they might stop asking the voters. If you are so against it then keep voting against it. Seriously, it is as simple as hitting a little box on a screen. I want them to keep asking for it so that I can keep voting yes. Blast away.</p></blockquote> <p>Ever been to Wheeling Island? Whatever money that enterprise takes in does not get reinvested in the area 100 yards from it. You have to drive through a slum to get there. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227778 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:46:25 +0000 Walker 227778@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>Thanks for all of the feedback on this, everyone! :D </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos/page/2#post-227760 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:10:52 +0000 shlax12 227760@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>So how much money can be brought into Cbus short term and long term if this issue is passed </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227735 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:37:12 +0000 Tigertree 227735@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>I agree Matthew. I helped shoot a commercial for a Casino in San Diego that was expanding to a new community. It was targeted towards community members that may want to seek employment at the new facility, so basically it was just us interviewing and getting testimonials from current employees. Everyone seemed happy, pay was good, benefits were outstanding and there was real potential for growth in the company and movement to other casinos they owned around the country if you chose. I personally think it's hard to argue against an industry that has an increasing presence in almost all of our bordering states. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227718 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:10:29 +0000 Matthew 227718@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>People are going to spend their money the way they want to. At least casinos bring in huge tax revenues for cities and states. They also help tourism, hotels, etc. Having been employed by casinos in Indiana back in the day, I can tell you that the state put a lot of guidelines on the casinos. The casinos were responsbible for funding addiction courses for alcohol, nicotine, and gaming. If they recognized players with gaming addictions they were required by law to remove them, and we removed plenty of people for it. It wasn't just some obscure rule that nobody remembered. In Indiana the IGC had guys watching everything under cover. They drove nice cars, and received great steady paychecks. IGC was an arm of the state patrol, and there was a waiting list a year long for those jobs. The government holds the key to how good or bad casinos will be in Ohio. </p> <p>As far as lamenting about when they might stop asking the voters. If you are so against it then keep voting against it. Seriously, it is as simple as hitting a little box on a screen. I want them to keep asking for it so that I can keep voting yes. Blast away. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227713 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:05:28 +0000 adrock 227713@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>i'm curious why the official against argument is allowed to outright lie. they are stating that they'll only pay taxes on 33% of profits. it's really 33% of GROSS revenues minus winnings paid out. but that's very different from what the profits as a company will be after labor and huge overhead costs.</p> <p>"Ohio would be forced to offer games approved in the future by Michigan, West Virginia, Indiana or Pennsylvania."</p> <p>this is a little dramatic. it just says that if a casino in one of those states offers it, then ohio can too. in other words, it will keep ohio casinos competitive with every state which borders us.</p> <p>"It pre-empts most local and state laws, including zoning laws."<br /> how can a constitutional amendment pre-empt the law when the constitution is the highest law in ohio? </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227709 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:01:17 +0000 Bear 227709@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <p>Y'know, actually, looking over those ballot initiatives, Issues 1 and 2 look pretty interesting too. </p> http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227706 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:56:59 +0000 lifeontwowheels 227706@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>Patch wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227694"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite></p> <blockquote><p><cite>colinpperkins wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/what-do-you-want-to-know-about-issue-3-casinos#post-227687"> &gt;&gt; </a></cite><br /> I heard a really interesting preview for a story that was going to air on WOSU this morning about how the casinos could put an end to church-run Las Vegas nights and the effect that would have on their ability to operate.<br /> I don't necessarily side with churches and think this should be protected or anything. I just found it interesting in that there are probably a wave of secondary implications these casinos could have that nobody has thought of.</p></blockquote> <p>I never have understood why churches have these nights.<br /> Seems like it goes directly against their principles.</p></blockquote> <p>It's only sinful if it doesn't directly go into the coffers of the church.</p> <p>;) </p>