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Columbus Underground Messageboard » Topic: Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17 http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16 ColumbusUnderground.com Messageboard en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:41:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/search.php michaelcoyote on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218574 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:20:40 +0000 michaelcoyote 218574@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ I'm a big fan of meat as a condiment.. A strip of bacon can go a very long way in flavouring a few cups of beans or a big basket of greens.. A few sausages can be stretched into 4-5 servings in a pasta sauce. I think that people often ate this way out of necessity.. In most societies meat was harder to obtain than vegetables and so traditional cooking reflected this.. catnfiddle on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218568 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:00:21 +0000 catnfiddle 218568@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ I need to start experimenting with frittatas while it's cool in the morning. It's one of the few things I'm truly interesting in learning how to cook. Not sure why, but it might be a gastronomic gateway! rus on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218566 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:51:56 +0000 rus 218566@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Manatee wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218556"> >> </a></cite> Gosh, Rus, I have to say I personally could not live w/out red meat at least sometimes. Good for you that you had the willpower to change your diet for the betterment of your health. But I'd certainly never recommend that anyone deny themselves a really lipsmackingly delicious meal every once in a while, your soul needs fuel, too! ... and really, healthy food should be lipsmackingly good EVERY meal. If not, u might be doin it wrong... :)</blockquote> According to some I've cooked for, the veggie stuff isn't bad. Did a quinoa salad last weekend that a few people asked the recipe for. To me, it's Just Not Meat. My hang up, YMMV. Salads... first time I tried having just a salad for dinner I threw in everything I could think of that was a vegetable. Beans, sprouts, carrots, onion, spinach... ate it, but woke up the next morning with a blinding headache. That went away after sausage gravy with biscuits, bacon... think the cats hid fearing they were next. I've no idea what that was, but I'm not doing that again. Now I stick with grains on week days; root vegetables and peppers sauteed in olive oil combined with quinoa or rice / beans. The occasional pasta a olio dish. Lots of protein bars for lunch. Oats with dried cranberries is the usual breakfast. On the other hand... yeah, a big, bloody steak sounds good. Damned good. *homer drool noise* turnedNOTburned on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218562 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:29:35 +0000 turnedNOTburned 218562@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218555"> >> </a></cite> I readily admit it's a personal thing. First 2 months was effectively vegan... every day I wanted meat. Once I found myself licking my lips when looking at geese. Stabilized that with red meat on the weekends. Also helps that I don't look at food as something pleasurable now; just fuel. Sucks to have choices constrained, eh?</blockquote> Dude, you are seriously an inspiration to me. I would do well to follow your lead. That being said, my family is driving in from the farm in Indiana tonight and of COURSE they HAVE to go to City Barbecue. They eat red meat at least 10-12 times a week - being producers of pork, eggs, soybeans, corn and wheat, its what they know - and its been difficult for me to unlearn. Ironically, many of these farmers also grow their own veggies, can, preserve and also live La-Vida-locavore out of their back yard. Come tomato season, you eat tomatoes - LOTS of'em. Bear on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218558 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:13:03 +0000 Bear 218558@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218555"> >> </a></cite> Also helps that I don't look at food as something pleasurable now; just fuel.</blockquote> !!! This is a job for Nitrogenman! joev on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218557 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:06:40 +0000 joev 218557@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ I wish I could learn to love eggs. For protein, I prefer dairy, fish, pork and chicken. A 1/2 pound of organic chicken thighs really goes a long way - a dinner and leftovers for two people. We probably eat red meat at home once every couple of months - out, maybe once a month in the form of a burger. Starting last week, we've been eating mostly veggies from our garden. It's so nice! Yesterday, I made a salad with lettuce, arugula, beet greens, Thai basil, thyme, tomatoes carrots, beets, pea pods and green beans all from the back yard. I need a peach tree... Manatee on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/3#post-218556 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:01:23 +0000 Manatee 218556@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ Gosh, Rus, I have to say I personally could not live w/out red meat at least sometimes. Good for you that you had the willpower to change your diet for the betterment of your health. But I'd certainly never recommend that anyone deny themselves a really lipsmackingly delicious meal every once in a while, your soul needs fuel, too! ... and really, healthy food should be lipsmackingly good EVERY meal. If not, u might be doin it wrong... :) rus on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218555 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:54:11 +0000 rus 218555@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ I readily admit it's a personal thing. First 2 months was effectively vegan... every day I wanted meat. Once I found myself licking my lips when looking at geese. Stabilized that with red meat on the weekends. Also helps that I don't look at food as something pleasurable now; just fuel. Sucks to have choices constrained, eh? Manatee on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218554 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:47:34 +0000 Manatee 218554@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ Lest I forget, a relatively cheap option when it comes to getting wholesome, local, organic protein is: eggs. And I think the next step in my experiment, as Andy has suggested, is to parse out the best bets for condiments, fats and spices. Another interesting caveat: the USRDA of course has no allowance for smokes, booze or coffee. And the recommended allowance per day for sugary junk crap is only 267 calories or some such. Which reminds me, every time I hear folks lamenting how expensive good food is, I think: if we took all the money Americans spend on booze, smokes, coffee, and junk food, and used instead to address world hunger and soil fertility... hey, I bet that'd pack quite a punch. I recoiled in horror when I was at a relative's house recently and they sprayed everything with tons of fake butter spray, claiming "this is just like butter, but it's healthy". I can't help but think that judicious amounts of butter and olive oil on a daily basis would be better than eating something made out of a list of chemicals a mile long. Plus good god, butter tastes so good. I don't think a relatively small condiments and fats investment would really be all that expensive, it would last quite a while (especially, as Andy said, if produce costs were brought down by shopping farmer's markets, and if spices were bought in bulk and stored in reusable jars). Plus, with gardening or farmer's markets, herbs could be had cheaply. If you get a bumper crop of herbs, it's rel;atively easy to freeze them in cubes, or dry them, for winter use. And I have definitely found that the fresher and more lovingly grown the food is, the less fat and spice you really need to doctor it up. One really fresh egg, cooked in a cast iron pan with just a smidgen of butter, on unbuttered homemade wheat bread with just a dusting of salt and pepper and perhaps a few slices of tomato and a leaf or two of greenery--- it's deeply satiating, and cheap. And then I can go through my morning full of energy, but not overfull, and without feeling trapped by my conscience. Win/win. ETA: there's also nothing like paying a premium for good food, to make you REALLY savor every single bite, and not waste ANY. Enjoy the fragrance of that fresh tomato, really let it transport you. Then eat the hell out of it. No more "crisper" drawer full of half-rotten vegetables (in my house we call the crisper drawer "the rotter", because once something goes in there, it's no longer of this world). Also: hilarity! Do you remember the AEP thread here that got into the argument about refrigeration... now I am starting to see more and more articles advocating less refrigeration for fresh foods, starting with nutritional reasons but extending outward from there... check out this new book by Susanne Freidberg: <img src="http://erb.kingdomnow.org/images/sf_fresh.jpg"> <a href="http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/06/06/fresh-a-perishable-history/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/06/06/fresh-a-perishable-history/</a> michaelcoyote on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218550 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:13:47 +0000 michaelcoyote 218550@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218501"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>michaelcoyote wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218479"> >> </a></cite> "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."</blockquote> Read that line a while back; think it was in an Economist write up on food. As much as I despise saying it, it works. After over a year of eating red meat only on weekends and effectively being vegetarian on week days I've lost a chunk of weight, a few pants sizes, and last blood tests I had showed normal levels of everything. Still feels like a personal failure and that I'm less of a person for being mostly vegetarian, but the results are there.</blockquote> Shrug.. I dono why people make it a big deal to have to eat meat for every meal.. I didn't eat much meat for a long time.. aside from the occasional burger or chicken, I just didn't eat significant amounts of meat... nor did I miss it all that much.. In it's stead I ate more veggies, beans, pasta and fish.. This changed when I got a new job where I traveled all the time and was on an expense account.. I still don't eat meat for every meal, but I eat it much more often than I used to and I find that I actually have to actively avoid eating meat at times. In addition, healthier options are hard to find as most restaurants like to pile on the food (restaurant eating is a killer for any kind of portion control)... My bad habits spilled over to the weekends (more eating out when I came home as I was too busy to cook). as a result I'm heavier now and have less energy (though this might be due to not getting any kind of normal workouts due to travel). When I'm on the road a lot I find myself I missing my diet and cooking for myself.. rus on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218501 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:54:41 +0000 rus 218501@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>michaelcoyote wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218479"> >> </a></cite> "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."</blockquote> Read that line a while back; think it was in an Economist write up on food. As much as I despise saying it, it works. After over a year of eating red meat only on weekends and effectively being vegetarian on week days I've lost a chunk of weight, a few pants sizes, and last blood tests I had showed normal levels of everything. Still feels like a personal failure and that I'm less of a person for being mostly vegetarian, but the results are there. rus on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218498 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:45:39 +0000 rus 218498@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Bear wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218475"> >> </a></cite> But I think Manatee's point is that people are trapped in this larger system of incentives whether they like it or not.</blockquote> Ah. That makes a bit more sense then. drew on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218494 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:05:27 +0000 drew 218494@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ That's an interesting practical exercise, Manatee. If you assume 3 meals per day, 7 days a week, that comes out to about $3.52/meal. Shame it doesn't include meat as well, or the seasonings and the like needed to bind the raw ingredients together as complete recipes. I'd guess, though, that if you redo the exercise with farmer's market produce, it would allow enough room to include at least some of those omissions for about the same total cost. Manatee on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218488 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:48:00 +0000 Manatee 218488@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ Thanks, Bear, that is exactly what I am saying. Sometimes, no pun intended, I get so over excited about this issue that I dig a hole for myself. I don't like the feeling that I have no choice, and that in order to have a choice, i have to be relatively well-off financially. I spent a good portion of yesterday looking at the USRDA recommendations for daily calorie intake, and how they recommend that's broken down. I wanted to see what the minimum I could spend would be, if i bought only local, organic food. A friend of mine just happened to be going to the old Wild Oats, now Whole Foods in Upper Arlington. I know it would be better to hit farmer's markets and the North Market, those experiments will be next for me. So, for a 2,000 calorie per day diet, this was the cost breakdown: 6 lbs fruit per week @ $3.50/lb = $21 8 lbs veggies per week @ $3.50/lb = $28-- both of these might be substantially less at a farmer's market or through a CSA 2.5 lbs whole grains per week = about $8 for two loaves of bread as a baseline, if you bake your own it could be much less expensive 2.5 lbs meat, beans, nuts or seeds-- this was the killer. If you just do beans, it can be very inexpensive, just a few dollars a week. If you do meat, and choose free-range, grass fed, organic, local etc., it will be substantially more, but OH SO DELICIOUS it will blow your mind. Also, I have a hunch that getting down to Bluescreek at the North Market might yield some deals. Will follow up on this, the figures I'm looking for are prices per pound. In the end, I settled for beans and nuts this week, $8 total. 10 lbs dairy per week is recommended, I could never eat that much but if I did, Snowville Milk is very economical, just $2.99 per half gallon most places I've seen it. However, at 10 lbs dairy per week, that would still be $30/wk at the cheapest! I personally feel the USRDA leans a little heavy on the dairy products (witness the incredible amount of dairy recommended by the WIC program), so I just budgeted $6 for this. A block of organic cheese. I also take a fish oil supplement, and a basic adult mulitvitamin, which adds more cost. But without those, my grand total was $74. Not too shabby... but not Aldi's either. enzo on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218483 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:33:00 +0000 enzo 218483@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ Is this still showing or was it one time only? michaelcoyote on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218479 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:27:09 +0000 michaelcoyote 218479@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>turnedNOTburned wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218465"> >> </a></cite> Can anyone compare this to a "Micheal Moore" style documentary? I like what Moore seemingly tries to do, but, the pragmatist in me takes exception to the exceedingly "one-sided" nature of his arguments. Does it seem more "fair and balanced" in its way it gets its point across? Being raised on a family farm (and watching my parents go from local, to international distribution as a part of a corporate egg farm) I'm guessing I'll be able to provide some compelling counterpoints.</blockquote> I've not seen much of Moore's work other than "Roger & Me" and his short lived TV series (although I find him entertaining, I agree that he's not really all that balanced). This was a bit along those lines, so if you're looking for an "agri-business" POV here, this may seemed skewed.. On the other hand I think it presents a lot of under-reported information in a pretty interesting way (agri-business has never had an problem getting their message in front of the public or legislators). Personally I thought it was a touch strident. On the other hand I personally believe that there's a lot of problems in the way food is currently produced, and perhaps this is something worth getting ourselves worked up over. From the heavy subsidies on corn and the money being thrown around by the agri-business lobby to blunt food safety and anti-trust laws, perhaps people should be more angry. Really though, my biggest fault of the film was one of omission.. Not about the reality of agri-business creating the highest yielding crops in the history of humans (that *was* in there if only for a second).. it was the omission of Michael Pollan's most subversive idea.. "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." This was the centerpiece of his book "In Defense of Food" and was glaringly missing from the film.. While there was some talk about voting with our food dollar, that seemed to me a statement about activism. Pollan's statement to my mind is more of a statement of personal responsibility. When I first read that line I thought of the times where I ate less food so that I could buy healthier food.. I personally believe we don't need to be full every meal (some of the more recent studies I've seen agree with me) as long as we choose healthy and nutritionally dense foods. It's a choice I've had to make in the past and while it does suck, it didn't kill me. If I had a kid I'd probably gladly forgo a full meal to make sure my kid had healthy food... Bear on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218475 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:21:59 +0000 Bear 218475@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ Well, "agriculture oppresses plants" isn't quite it, I think. We're all on the same page that occasionally people enslave people to produce plants, and that's bad. The larger point about industrial ag is that it's based on a pernicious system of incentives because, in a world in which the long-term consequences of actions (in terms of environmental degradation etc.) are debated and individual contributions to those consequences are negligible, consumers make choices based on what's cheapest and easiest in the short run, not what's best in the long run, and industry responds rationally to those incentives. As a result, we do what's optimal in the short run, not the long run. Is that slavery? Not in the pre-Civil War American slave definition, of course not. But I think Manatee's point is that people are trapped in this larger system of incentives whether they like it or not. rus on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218466 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:58:52 +0000 rus 218466@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>michaelcoyote wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218464"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>Bear wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218457"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218289"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>Manatee wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218286"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218282"> >> </a></cite> Manatee... just so I don't misread you... did you just equate the slavery of human beings with farm raised vegetables? </blockquote> Rus, there are what amounts to human slaves tending to our farm-raised vegetables, even as we type this. And to extend this into the philosophical realm, any operation which takes the basic organic and inorganic materials given to us by nature, and renders them infertile or poisonous, which is what industrial farming does, may as well be enslaving me. For when the world has been made poisonous, where is the freedom in being alive? </blockquote> Thanks for the answer. Just wanted to make sure I was reading that right. </blockquote> To be fair, Manatee's not the one equating farming with slavery. <a href="http://slowfoodcolumbus.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/slavery-in-floridas-tomato-fields/">Some in the food industry are doing it</a>; she's just reporting it.</blockquote> This is nothing new either.. I recall watching news reports 25 years ago about holding migrant workers..</blockquote> No argument about working conditions of migrant workers; I see that as a different argument than "agriculture oppresses plants" though. turnedNOTburned on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218465 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:41:50 +0000 turnedNOTburned 218465@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ Can anyone compare this to a "Micheal Moore" style documentary? I like what Moore seemingly tries to do, but, the pragmatist in me takes exception to the exceedingly "one-sided" nature of his arguments. Does it seem more "fair and balanced" in its way it gets its point across? Being raised on a family farm (and watching my parents go from local, to international distribution as a part of a corporate egg farm) I'm guessing I'll be able to provide some compelling counterpoints. michaelcoyote on "Columbus Premiere of FOOD, Inc. on July 17" http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218464 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:40:24 +0000 michaelcoyote 218464@http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/ <blockquote><cite>Bear wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218457"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218289"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>Manatee wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218286"> >> </a></cite> <blockquote><cite>rus wrote <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/columbus-premiere-of-%e2%80%9cfood-inc%e2%80%9d-on-july-16/page/2#post-218282"> >> </a></cite> Manatee... just so I don't misread you... did you just equate the slavery of human beings with farm raised vegetables? </blockquote> Rus, there are what amounts to human slaves tending to our farm-raised vegetables, even as we type this. And to extend this into the philosophical realm, any operation which takes the basic organic and inorganic materials given to us by nature, and renders them infertile or poisonous, which is what industrial farming does, may as well be enslaving me. For when the world has been made poisonous, where is the freedom in being alive? </blockquote> Thanks for the answer. Just wanted to make sure I was reading that right. </blockquote> To be fair, Manatee's not the one equating farming with slavery. <a href="http://slowfoodcolumbus.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/slavery-in-floridas-tomato-fields/">Some in the food industry are doing it</a>; she's just reporting it.</blockquote> This is nothing new either.. I recall watching news reports 25 years ago about holding migrant workers..