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OSU, other college presidents back drinking-age debate
Monday, August 18, 2008
BY ENCARNACION PYLE AND BILL BUSH
From a political-correctness point of view, it probably would have been safer not to sign a petition challenging the drinking age.
But the presidents of Ohio State University, Columbus College of Art & Design and Kenyon College have joined leaders of about 100 other schools nationwide in saying that current laws actually encourage binge drinking on campus.
They want legislators to reconsider the law.
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My hometown in Ohio might be a big exception, but we have a lot of wineries around. It was normal to drink a glass of wine at dinner with your parents on a pretty regular basis. Most kids didn’t seem to go cuckoo bananas about alcohol when they went out on their own.
Right. Kids who are raised with some exposure to responsible drinking generally learn how to drink responsibly. They may chose to ignore this of course, but, those who arn’t exposed to responsible drinking have no idea how to drink except binge drinking and have to learn how to be responsible only after binge drinking has become a problem for them. Of course there is wide variation in people, milage varries, etc.
Isn’t there any data on what happened when they took away the right to buy 3.2% alcohol beer in Ohio? Wouldn’t that be a good way to see what could be expected if we returned to the old system?
A big +1 to that.
I’m not sure if the lowered age would help so much with the social taboo of alcohol in America, but I think it would at least get the ball rolling. Might take a generation or two before we really start to see a shift in mindset.
I spent a few months in Europe and it’s surprising how much of a non-issue it is over there. I was most surprised by the amount of people who utterly refused to drink and drive. While here in Cbus people hop behind the wheel after a 12-pack and a few shots, across the pond strangers would be pulling people out of their cars if they knew they’d have more than a single glass of wine. Apparently getting drunk isn’t taboo–it’s getting drunk then driving that really is a no-no.
Can we bring that here, too?
I spent a few months in Europe and it’s surprising how much of a non-issue it is over there. I was most surprised by the amount of people who utterly refused to drink and drive. While here in Cbus people hop behind the wheel after a 12-pack and a few shots, across the pond strangers would be pulling people out of their cars if they knew they’d have more than a single glass of wine. Apparently getting drunk isn’t taboo–it’s getting drunk then driving that really is a no-no.
Can we bring that here, too?
In France, there is no bottom legal limit for blood alcohol. .01 would get you a DUI. So while its wine consumption rate is among the highest in the world, the drunk driving accident rate is among the lowest of industrialized nations.
they should raise it to 45. cool me out a little..
I spent a few months in Europe and it’s surprising how much of a non-issue it is over there. I was most surprised by the amount of people who utterly refused to drink and drive. While here in Cbus people hop behind the wheel after a 12-pack and a few shots, across the pond strangers would be pulling people out of their cars if they knew they’d have more than a single glass of wine. Apparently getting drunk isn’t taboo–it’s getting drunk then driving that really is a no-no.
Can we bring that here, too?
I know this is not exactly on the subject, but I think a major factor of this is that Europeans (and other cultures also) hold the ability to drive as much more of a “privilege” than Americans do. I know that the process to get a drivers license in many countries (I know Germany in particular) is a intense and expensive ordeal… and the ramifications of getting a DUI are extremely costly.
If you get busted for a DUI and lose your license for 5 years or something maybe people would think more about it. I really wish it was more of a social taboo in Cbus… I run across a few people every weekend that drive home drunk… and often times joke about it the next day. Pretty sad….
bring on the drunk 18 year olds!!!! nothing like some drunk chicken!! :lol:
I’m of two minds on this. The biggest upside to this that I can think of right off is that it will bring 18-21 yr old drinkers into a more “controlled” environment of a bar. I know that “control” is a stretch, but drinking in a bar is much better than unsupervised drinking at a friends house. At the same time, I can see high school parties getting a little more out of control once you give half the senior class body permission to suddenly buy alcohol. I remember trying to find someone to buy us beer (just missed the grandfather drinking age cutoff). Now it will become easier because people AT YOUR PARTY can buy it. On the other hand, maybe it WILL end binge drinking at 21, but then will it move to binge drinking at 18? While its true that you can be drafted, carry a gun, get shot and die at 18, that you can vote and sign legal documenst at 18, but all those other things are/should be done sober, with a CLEAR 18 yr old mind. Drinking at 18 has nothing to do with clearminded decisions.
If anything split the difference and go 19, like most of the Canadian Provinces. Then you take out the high school equation.
Sherm, you crack me up. I posted a pic for you of a drunk chicken showing some skin![]()
http://www.thepoultryplace.com/Beer%20Can%20Chicken2.jpg
No way in hell should the drinking age be 18.
If any age of privilege needs reviewed, how about making drivers licenses available starting at age 18 after thorough licensing tests and exams.
I think they were talking about lowering the age to 19 not 18. Right?
As far as alcohol is concerned, the only problem I see is how it is approached. It doesn’t have to simply be a means of intoxication, much how food can be more than a vessel for sustenance. There’s very much a degree of craftsmanship and artistry that goes into a well made beer, wine, or spirit. What’s wrong with drinking something just because you enjoy and appreciate it? Absolutely nothing.
It’s more a matter of abuse and excess. If anything, better education on the subject should be implemented. Drinking doesn’t have to be just for the sake of getting drunk. It’s certainly a side effect, but in moderation there’s not a problem at all.
Call me idealistic, but I feel perhaps a paradigm shift of thought is all that is needed.
Car insurance is already sky high for young drivers. I can’t imagine how high it would be for 18 yr olds if they could buy alcohol.
I would vote for driving at 16 and drinking at 19, as I think there definitely needs to be some time between the acts of getting driving under control and getting acclimated to drinking (and hopefully never the two shall meet)
I’m in favor of leveling the playing field and making all “adult privileges” active at 18. That includes driving and drinking (but not at the same time).
Hah! I actually once liked the idea of spacing them out more, partly to reduce the “magic” of turning 18 (which I thought was overrated) and partly to make other birthdays more “special.”
Ex:
15 – R-rated movies
16 – driving
17 – adult entertainment
18 – voting
19 – alcohol
20 – cigarettes
21 – lottery tickets
22-25 (still need something good here)
26 – (car insurance rates drop)
27 – too old to be drafted (males only)
here’s an idea – pressure the federal government to allow states to decide their own drinking ages. then, the south and utah can live in torment and ohio can be fun. indiana is pretty conservative as is pennsylvania. so instead of casinos in ohio, we can turn city center into the biggest 18-21 dance club/hotel in the country!
why spring break in florida or mexico when you have an indoors ibiza – attached to your hotel! hey IU kids – don’t know where to stay for the osu game? city center. Pitt students, need a weekend off campus – come to columbus! quick, someone come up with an experience columbus flier saying “You can’t get hammered and hook up in columbus.” shit, we’d make enough money to fund the street cars!
i think i just solved like 13 different threads’ discussions here. haha.
States used to set their own drinking ages. The impetus behind the drinking age being 21 was highway money for the states. The states would have had to pay to maintain the interstate system instead of the federal government had they not all made the drinking age 21. Unless I heard wrong…
The drinking age should be 16 for beer and wine and 18 for the hard stuff. Let’s say anything over 20% ABV for argument’s sake. If you can get drafted, you should be able to take a belt of whiskey.
Prohibition only increases appeal. This has been proven time and time again. Parents should introduce alcohol to children and teach them its dangers. My example of this would be giving a teenager half a glass of wine with dinner or mabye a beer while watching the game.
I really don’t think that teens’ palates are sophisticated enough to appreciate the nuances of wine but I applaud anyone who savors good booze of any type.
And yes, the lady in charge of MADD is most definitely crazy!
18 and 19 year olds are drinking anyhow. The drinking has moved to houses where there is no control whatsoever. Drop the age and bring back some campus bars.
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008
By Denise Yost
Gee told NBC 4′s Mikaela Hunt in a one-on-one interview on Tuesday that it’s not that current drinking laws aren’t working. Instead, Gee is worried that the country might be driving underage kids “underground” to drink and then causing a host of other problems.
Gee said he wanted to be clear that he is not advocating drinking. He just wants a discussion.
“There’s no one better to talk about this because I’m a devout Mormon and I’ve never had a drop of alcohol in my life. It’s not about my desire to see people drink. It’s about my desire to have a conversation,” he said. “There’s going to be some concern, maybe even some upset parents about what we’re talking about. I would tell them that I think it’s important to have these conversations because I think we can improve the quality of life of students by having it.”
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