Comments on: Bill Proposed to Restrict Liquor Permits in Ohio

By: lifeontwowheels

lifeontwowheels — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:14:14 +0000

They have started to relax that, have they not? I think you can get some of the harder stuff in the grocery stores on Sunday, no?

By: SalsaQueen

SalsaQueen — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:25:41 +0000

Looks like pork, out of wedlock intimate relations and holding hands publicly are next on the banning list. No offense to anyone, I have the utmost respect for all churches synagogues, mosques, and heir beliefs etc.. but let’s at least pretend to have some decent separation of church and state. I still can’t get over the ridiculous and archaic “no wine before 1pm on Sundays on the OHI of O”.

By: B_C_B

B_C_B — Wed, 13 May 2009 01:36:06 +0000

Why in the hell are “churches” lumped in with schools, parks, and libraries? The former three are public spaces funded by taxpayers while churches have nothing to do with government and shouldn’t even be recognized by the government. Lumping in “churches” with the rest of those publicly funded locations makes as much sense as saying they shouldn’t sell alcohol near a Graeter’s Ice Cream store because I like to get my Graeter’s and eat it outside and I don’t want to have to look at or be bothered by some drunk guy while I’m eating my ice cream. How do these people get elected???

By: lifeontwowheels

lifeontwowheels — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:15:23 +0000

The basic difference between here and Europe is that the crazy, pissed off folks can actually own their guns.

Don’t see us changing too much anytime soon.

By: lurgidbee

lurgidbee — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:46:36 +0000

Europe is also having trouble protecting its traditions ( of freedom and ideas that evolved out of western liberal democracy ) against religious prohibitions in many areas of life, as their new immigrant population changes ideology. I wonder if this is something that will happen here?

By: lifeontwowheels

lifeontwowheels — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:34:52 +0000

Well between the Irish and the Italian Catholics…

By: gramarye

gramarye — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:17:42 +0000

My guess is that they were probably quite successful, then. :)

By: KSquared

KSquared — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:41:39 +0000

My Catholic elementary school had fund raisers that included drinking and gambling. :)

By: lifeontwowheels

lifeontwowheels — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:14:22 +0000

One only needs to look to our own history to realize that increased control does nothing towards crime control.

By: Thory

Thory — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:03:35 +0000

GViewProgrammer: “The reason Japan has less crime is because of their culture . . . the lack of open container laws correlates to lower crime but it is in no way causation for that lower crime.”

I know it’s a matter of culture. They have lower crime than us, even with less control on alcohol. My point was that increased control on alcohol isn’t going to lower crime, which is this senator’s motivation for the bill. This push for more alcohol control is pointless.

By: lifeontwowheels

lifeontwowheels — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:24:22 +0000

Let’s not forget the churches who get the special event permits for their summer festivals and other fund raisers…

ETA

(the Catholic churches often have an elementary school attached…)

By: sugarplumclarey

sugarplumclarey — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:21:41 +0000

do churches need a liquor license to serve the jesus wine?if i remember correctly from my catholic school days, that stuff is about 40 proof. if so, i must wonder: with this legislation, would churches be allowed within 500 feet of themselves?

By: joev

joev — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:24:51 +0000

Why defer to churches? They run one day a week. (Well Sat. afternoon, too, if you’re Catholic and I don’t know – like three days a week if you’re some crazy sort of Protestant.) I mean there aren’t lepers ambling around anymore, maybe churchgoers could unleash some of that compassionate Jesus-example-following on drunks.

By: michaelcoyote

michaelcoyote — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:14:16 +0000

Great point Liz about the reduced value of a business if you can’t transfer the License. This was something that I thought of after the call (I hadn’t expected to get a legislative aide, so therefore only had a few questions and points prepared).

I’m pretty far against the idea of another layer of “liquor control” law, In fact I think existing legislation covers this pretty well. The problem the Sen. is discussing could be addressed by a review of permits in the area:

With regard to retail liquor permits, pursuant to Ohio Revised Code Section 4303.29(B)(3), the population of a taxing district determines the number of permits allowed there. This is known as the quota system. If an applicant for a liquor permit meets all of the requirements under law and rule, and if the voters have approved liquor sales in that precinct, and if there are permits available under the quota system, the Division will likely issue an applicant a permit. In addition, Ohio Revised Code Section 4303.29(B)(3)(b) allows liquor permits in an overissued area of the state to be transferred to an economic development project in another area of the state where no permits are available under the quota system.

(From: http://www.com.ohio.gov/liqr/about.aspx)

If she really wants something to legislate on, perhaps allowing unneeded permits to be sold between districts openly might be a good way to let the open market decide how many permits are needed and where…

By: gramarye

gramarye — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:45:46 +0000

A lot of people are going to be really hesitant to get into, or remain in, the restaurant business if they have no way of knowing in advance whether or not they meet the bureaucratic standard for what goes with a community’s “ambiance.” At the very least, it’s one more hoop to jump through. At worst–and I’m inclined to believe the worst because of what people on this and other threads have already said about restaurant owners already needing approval from nearby schools and churches–it’s a potentially dangerous political weapon to be used against political foes of the administration in power. How much money would it take to litigate to the hilt whether or not a restaurant “fit” with the community, if the regulator in charge of enforcing this legislation wanted to make someone’s life hell?