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		<title>By: Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/3c-corridor-quick-start-submitted-for-stimulus/comment-page-1#comment-93267</link>
		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rail applications freighted with politics?&lt;/strong&gt;
Posted by James Nash, Statehouse reporter
November 13, 2009 11:52 AM

&lt;em&gt;Perhaps this was inevitable: Politics will play a role in deciding which states get federal stimulus money to build high-speed railroads.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2009/11/rail_applications_freighted_wi.shtml&quot;&gt;READ MORE&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rail applications freighted with politics?</strong><br />
Posted by James Nash, Statehouse reporter<br />
November 13, 2009 11:52 AM</p>
<p><em>Perhaps this was inevitable: Politics will play a role in deciding which states get federal stimulus money to build high-speed railroads.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2009/11/rail_applications_freighted_wi.shtml">READ MORE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/3c-corridor-quick-start-submitted-for-stimulus/comment-page-1#comment-91856</link>
		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Press Release:&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;OhioÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â and Midwest Rail Plans Tops Agenda &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;As Midwest Interstate Passenger Rail Commission Meets in Columbus&lt;/strong&gt;

Adding to the unprecedented interest in passenger rail development in Ohio, the multi-state Midwest Interstate Passenger Rail Commission (MIPRC) will hold the groupÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s first-ever meeting in Ohio Thursday (Oct. 15th)) and Friday (Oct 16th) to discuss the future of passenger rail in the region. 
 
The status of OhioÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s recent 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â application for federal stimulus funds - as well as the applications of other Midwestern projects - will be a lead topic on the MIPRC agenda, along with discussions about pending federal legislation aimed at long-term high-speed passenger rail funding. 
 
Bringing together transportation leaders and passenger rail experts from across the Midwest, the MIPRC will meet at the Westin Columbus Hotel at 310 South High Street in downtown Columbus, just blocks away from a proposed station location for OhioÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â service. 

Ã¢â‚¬Å“Ohio welcomes transportation leaders from across the Midwest to Columbus.  This meeting provides an opportunity to discuss how a robust regional passenger rail system will generate economic growth in Ohio and beyond,Ã¢â‚¬Â said Ohio Governor Ted Strickland said. Ã¢â‚¬Å“Just a few weeks ago, Ohio was one of eight Midwestern states to submit federal stimulus applications for passenger rail projects, illustrating our commitment to building a system of rail transportation that connects 
our region and grows the Midwest economy.Ã¢â‚¬Â 

Earlier this month, Ohio submitted an impressive application for federal stimulus funding for the 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â Plan - connecting Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati with medium speed 79 mph passenger trains.  The application carried with it over 140 letters and resolutions of support from governments, community and business leaders from all along the 3C Corridor. 

The 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â Plan is one component of ORDCÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s plans to deliver an additional transportation choice to Ohioans.  Ohio also joined the State of Indiana in applying for $2.8 million in Recovery Act funds to finance planning for advancing the Chicago-Toledo-Cleveland corridor to high speed. In addition, the state is conducting the next required environmental study for implementing high speed passenger rail in the following corridors: Toledo-Cleveland-Pittsburgh; Columbus—Toledo; and Cleveland-Columbus-Dayton-Cincinnati.  Governor Strickland and Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell have also sent a joint letter to the Federal Railroad Administration urging the FRA to designate Cleveland-Pittsburgh as a high speed rail corridor, which would create a federally designated high speed rail corridor connecting Chicago, Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia. 

According to information gathered by the MIPRC, eight Midwestern states have submitted applications to receive federal funding for the development of passenger rail corridors. Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio and Wisconsin met the Oct. 2 deadline for submitting applications for multi-year passenger rail corridor program funding from the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) under its High Speed Intercity Passenger Rail program. Together, these states asked for almost $10 billion in Ã¢â‚¬Å“Track 2Ã¢â‚¬Â funding to fully develop corridors and purchase train sets for new service. 
 
Ã¢â‚¬Å“The MIPRC meeting is an excellent opportunity for Ohio and our fellow Midwest states to advance the discussion about the need for improved passenger rail and projects such as our 3C ‘Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ , the Midwest Regional Rail Initiative and the Ohio Hub Plan for high speed passenger rail service,Ã¢â‚¬Â said ORDC Executive Director Matt Dietrich. 

One of FridayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sessions, in fact, will include a report on a visit to observe SpainÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s high speed rail system by MIPRC Commissioners.  Among those Commissioners on the trip were Ohio State Rep. Robert Hagan, himself a railroad locomotive engineer and an ORDC Commissioner, and Art Arnold of the Ohio Railroad Association. Ohio state Senator Thomas Patton, Chairman of the Ohio Senate Highways and Transportation Committee is also a MIPRC Commissioner. 

MIPRC brings together state legislators and other transportation leaders from across the region to advocate for passenger rail improvements. Formed by compact agreement in 2000, the MIPRC&#039;s current members are Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio and Wisconsin.  Ohio is among the founding members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Press Release:</em><br />
<strong>OhioÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â and Midwest Rail Plans Tops Agenda </strong><strong>As Midwest Interstate Passenger Rail Commission Meets in Columbus</strong></p>
<p>Adding to the unprecedented interest in passenger rail development in Ohio, the multi-state Midwest Interstate Passenger Rail Commission (MIPRC) will hold the groupÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s first-ever meeting in Ohio Thursday (Oct. 15th)) and Friday (Oct 16th) to discuss the future of passenger rail in the region. </p>
<p>The status of OhioÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s recent 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â application for federal stimulus funds &#8211; as well as the applications of other Midwestern projects &#8211; will be a lead topic on the MIPRC agenda, along with discussions about pending federal legislation aimed at long-term high-speed passenger rail funding. </p>
<p>Bringing together transportation leaders and passenger rail experts from across the Midwest, the MIPRC will meet at the Westin Columbus Hotel at 310 South High Street in downtown Columbus, just blocks away from a proposed station location for OhioÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â service. </p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Ohio welcomes transportation leaders from across the Midwest to Columbus.  This meeting provides an opportunity to discuss how a robust regional passenger rail system will generate economic growth in Ohio and beyond,Ã¢â‚¬Â said Ohio Governor Ted Strickland said. Ã¢â‚¬Å“Just a few weeks ago, Ohio was one of eight Midwestern states to submit federal stimulus applications for passenger rail projects, illustrating our commitment to building a system of rail transportation that connects<br />
our region and grows the Midwest economy.Ã¢â‚¬Â </p>
<p>Earlier this month, Ohio submitted an impressive application for federal stimulus funding for the 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â Plan &#8211; connecting Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati with medium speed 79 mph passenger trains.  The application carried with it over 140 letters and resolutions of support from governments, community and business leaders from all along the 3C Corridor. </p>
<p>The 3C Ã¢â‚¬Å“Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬Â Plan is one component of ORDCÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s plans to deliver an additional transportation choice to Ohioans.  Ohio also joined the State of Indiana in applying for $2.8 million in Recovery Act funds to finance planning for advancing the Chicago-Toledo-Cleveland corridor to high speed. In addition, the state is conducting the next required environmental study for implementing high speed passenger rail in the following corridors: Toledo-Cleveland-Pittsburgh; Columbus—Toledo; and Cleveland-Columbus-Dayton-Cincinnati.  Governor Strickland and Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell have also sent a joint letter to the Federal Railroad Administration urging the FRA to designate Cleveland-Pittsburgh as a high speed rail corridor, which would create a federally designated high speed rail corridor connecting Chicago, Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia. </p>
<p>According to information gathered by the MIPRC, eight Midwestern states have submitted applications to receive federal funding for the development of passenger rail corridors. Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio and Wisconsin met the Oct. 2 deadline for submitting applications for multi-year passenger rail corridor program funding from the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) under its High Speed Intercity Passenger Rail program. Together, these states asked for almost $10 billion in Ã¢â‚¬Å“Track 2Ã¢â‚¬Â funding to fully develop corridors and purchase train sets for new service. </p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“The MIPRC meeting is an excellent opportunity for Ohio and our fellow Midwest states to advance the discussion about the need for improved passenger rail and projects such as our 3C ‘Quick StartÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ , the Midwest Regional Rail Initiative and the Ohio Hub Plan for high speed passenger rail service,Ã¢â‚¬Â said ORDC Executive Director Matt Dietrich. </p>
<p>One of FridayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sessions, in fact, will include a report on a visit to observe SpainÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s high speed rail system by MIPRC Commissioners.  Among those Commissioners on the trip were Ohio State Rep. Robert Hagan, himself a railroad locomotive engineer and an ORDC Commissioner, and Art Arnold of the Ohio Railroad Association. Ohio state Senator Thomas Patton, Chairman of the Ohio Senate Highways and Transportation Committee is also a MIPRC Commissioner. </p>
<p>MIPRC brings together state legislators and other transportation leaders from across the region to advocate for passenger rail improvements. Formed by compact agreement in 2000, the MIPRC&#8217;s current members are Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio and Wisconsin.  Ohio is among the founding members.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/3c-corridor-quick-start-submitted-for-stimulus/comment-page-1#comment-91420</link>
		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fingers crossed! ;)</description>
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		<title>By: noozer</title>
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		<dc:creator>noozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohio&#039;s stimulus application was received by the FRA on Friday: in time to meet the deadline.  The statement below indicates that Ohio has some stiff competition.  But keep in mind that one huge plus for Ohio is that we are delivering a whole new, unserved corridor with a population of over 6-million people into the national passenger rail system.

High-Speed Rail Application Status 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/2301&quot;&gt;http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/2301&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;STATEMENT FROM FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION (FRA) 
ADMINISTRATOR JOSEPH C. SZABO &lt;/strong&gt;

Ã¢â‚¬Å“We have received numerous applications from states and groups of states for the development of high-speed and intercity passenger rail programs for grant funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.  These include &lt;strong&gt;45 applications from 24 states totaling approximately $50 billion to advance high-speed rail corridor programs. 

We also received 214 applications from 34 states totaling $7 billion for corridor planning and smaller projects.&lt;/strong&gt;


Due to the overwhelming response and our desire to lay the groundwork for a truly national high-speed and intercity passenger rail program, we will be announcing all awards this winter. Our selections will be merit-based and will reflect President ObamaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s vision to remake AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s transportation landscape. We look forward to further evaluating these proposals and spurring economic development while providing Americans with clean, energy-efficient transportation choices in the years and decades to come.Ã¢â‚¬Â</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio&#8217;s stimulus application was received by the FRA on Friday: in time to meet the deadline.  The statement below indicates that Ohio has some stiff competition.  But keep in mind that one huge plus for Ohio is that we are delivering a whole new, unserved corridor with a population of over 6-million people into the national passenger rail system.</p>
<p>High-Speed Rail Application Status<br />
 <br />
<a href="http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/2301">http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/2301</a></p>
<p><strong>STATEMENT FROM FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION (FRA)<br />
ADMINISTRATOR JOSEPH C. SZABO </strong></p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“We have received numerous applications from states and groups of states for the development of high-speed and intercity passenger rail programs for grant funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.  These include <strong>45 applications from 24 states totaling approximately $50 billion to advance high-speed rail corridor programs. </p>
<p>We also received 214 applications from 34 states totaling $7 billion for corridor planning and smaller projects.</strong></p>
<p>Due to the overwhelming response and our desire to lay the groundwork for a truly national high-speed and intercity passenger rail program, we will be announcing all awards this winter. Our selections will be merit-based and will reflect President ObamaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s vision to remake AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s transportation landscape. We look forward to further evaluating these proposals and spurring economic development while providing Americans with clean, energy-efficient transportation choices in the years and decades to come.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
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		<title>By: johnwirtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnwirtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^I think the North Corridor was going to terminate at Lazelle Rd near the Chase Bank HQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^I think the North Corridor was going to terminate at Lazelle Rd near the Chase Bank HQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;forums/profile/central-city-recording&quot;&gt;Central City Recording&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; Says: DoesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the North Corridor route include Polaris?&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t believe that the old North Corridor route that was originally developed in the 90s did, as Polaris wasn&#039;t around yet. Pretty sure it stopped at Crosswoods. I imagine that the route could easily be extended, but the existing rail lines aren&#039;t too close to the mall anyway (they run just to the west of the Chase complex). A rail station at Polaris Parkway &amp; the Rail Line would still result in pleasant mile and a half walk down Polaris Parkway to get to the mall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><cite><a href="forums/profile/central-city-recording">Central City Recording</a></cite> Says: DoesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the North Corridor route include Polaris?</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that the old North Corridor route that was originally developed in the 90s did, as Polaris wasn&#8217;t around yet. Pretty sure it stopped at Crosswoods. I imagine that the route could easily be extended, but the existing rail lines aren&#8217;t too close to the mall anyway (they run just to the west of the Chase complex). A rail station at Polaris Parkway &amp; the Rail Line would still result in pleasant mile and a half walk down Polaris Parkway to get to the mall.</p>
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		<title>By: lifeontwowheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>lifeontwowheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, John, I couldn&#039;t remember the details-thus the &quot;Polaris Area&quot; :). I know it doesn&#039;t run that way on every trip-just like every other hour or something. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, John, I couldn&#8217;t remember the details-thus the &#8220;Polaris Area&#8221; :). I know it doesn&#8217;t run that way on every trip-just like every other hour or something. </p>
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		<title>By: johnwirtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnwirtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cota.com/pdfs/routes/current/001C.pdf&quot;&gt;#1&lt;/a&gt; goes to Ohio Health at &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=&amp;sll=40.147873,-82.936424&amp;sspn=0.005101,0.011362&amp;dirflg=w&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.147873,-82.936424&amp;spn=0.005101,0.011362&amp;t=h&amp;z=17&amp;iwloc=lyrftr:h,0x8838f5bba5956a49:0x989e8f9cbb941d55,40.147553,-82.935963&quot;&gt;Polaris &amp; Africa Rd&lt;/a&gt;, but not to the mall.  It also takes about an hour to get there from downtown.  Even if you do it though, have fun &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=polaris+%26+africa&amp;daddr=1500+Polaris+Pkwy,+Columbus,+OH+43240-2126+(Polaris+Fashion+Place)&amp;geocode=%3BCWYG8JiyU55PFXyUZAIdONEN-yG7WNAuGm0V1A&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=pe&amp;mrcr=0&amp;dirflg=w&amp;sll=40.145224,-82.96154&amp;sspn=0.040809,0.090895&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.145585,-82.960382&amp;spn=0.020405,0.045447&amp;t=h&amp;z=15&quot;&gt;walking the 2.6 miles&lt;/a&gt; to the mall from there.  There are few sidewalks, crosswalks, or pedestrian signals.  I suppose you could bus and bike, but then you have the wonderful choice of crossing either &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=polaris+%26+africa&amp;daddr=1500+Polaris+Pkwy,+Columbus,+OH+43240-2126+(Polaris+Fashion+Place)&amp;geocode=%3BCWYG8JiyU55PFXyUZAIdONEN-yG7WNAuGm0V1A&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=pe&amp;mrcr=0&amp;dirflg=w&amp;sll=40.145224,-82.96154&amp;sspn=0.040809,0.090895&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.148119,-82.970263&amp;spn=0,359.988638&amp;t=h&amp;z=17&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=40.148118,-82.970387&amp;panoid=mbHiQ0qgg9Iw0kThAIhW3g&amp;cbp=12,270.46,,0,4.15&quot;&gt;this bridge&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=polaris+%26+africa&amp;daddr=1500+Polaris+Pkwy,+Columbus,+OH+43240-2126+(Polaris+Fashion+Place)&amp;geocode=%3BCWYG8JiyU55PFXyUZAIdONEN-yG7WNAuGm0V1A&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=pe&amp;mrcr=0&amp;dirflg=w&amp;sll=40.145224,-82.96154&amp;sspn=0.040809,0.090895&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.142039,-82.972213&amp;spn=0,359.99716&amp;t=h&amp;z=19&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=40.142029,-82.972342&amp;panoid=Ttf7v9k0upFWHKez1gr-VQ&amp;cbp=12,89.51,,0,4.58&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.cota.com/pdfs/routes/current/001C.pdf">#1</a> goes to Ohio Health at <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=&amp;sll=40.147873,-82.936424&amp;sspn=0.005101,0.011362&amp;dirflg=w&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.147873,-82.936424&amp;spn=0.005101,0.011362&amp;t=h&amp;z=17&amp;iwloc=lyrftr:h,0x8838f5bba5956a49:0x989e8f9cbb941d55,40.147553,-82.935963">Polaris &amp; Africa Rd</a>, but not to the mall.  It also takes about an hour to get there from downtown.  Even if you do it though, have fun <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=polaris+%26+africa&amp;daddr=1500+Polaris+Pkwy,+Columbus,+OH+43240-2126+(Polaris+Fashion+Place)&amp;geocode=%3BCWYG8JiyU55PFXyUZAIdONEN-yG7WNAuGm0V1A&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=pe&amp;mrcr=0&amp;dirflg=w&amp;sll=40.145224,-82.96154&amp;sspn=0.040809,0.090895&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.145585,-82.960382&amp;spn=0.020405,0.045447&amp;t=h&amp;z=15">walking the 2.6 miles</a> to the mall from there.  There are few sidewalks, crosswalks, or pedestrian signals.  I suppose you could bus and bike, but then you have the wonderful choice of crossing either <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=polaris+%26+africa&amp;daddr=1500+Polaris+Pkwy,+Columbus,+OH+43240-2126+(Polaris+Fashion+Place)&amp;geocode=%3BCWYG8JiyU55PFXyUZAIdONEN-yG7WNAuGm0V1A&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=pe&amp;mrcr=0&amp;dirflg=w&amp;sll=40.145224,-82.96154&amp;sspn=0.040809,0.090895&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.148119,-82.970263&amp;spn=0,359.988638&amp;t=h&amp;z=17&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=40.148118,-82.970387&amp;panoid=mbHiQ0qgg9Iw0kThAIhW3g&amp;cbp=12,270.46,,0,4.15">this bridge</a> or <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=polaris+%26+africa&amp;daddr=1500+Polaris+Pkwy,+Columbus,+OH+43240-2126+(Polaris+Fashion+Place)&amp;geocode=%3BCWYG8JiyU55PFXyUZAIdONEN-yG7WNAuGm0V1A&amp;hl=en&amp;mra=pe&amp;mrcr=0&amp;dirflg=w&amp;sll=40.145224,-82.96154&amp;sspn=0.040809,0.090895&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=40.142039,-82.972213&amp;spn=0,359.99716&amp;t=h&amp;z=19&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=40.142029,-82.972342&amp;panoid=Ttf7v9k0upFWHKez1gr-VQ&amp;cbp=12,89.51,,0,4.58">this one</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: lifeontwowheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>lifeontwowheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it is in close proximity. Unless COTA changed things, the #1 makes several trip to the Polaris Area. Can&#039;t remember how close it gets you. And the #18 gets you to Tuttle. 

At this point I would settle for COTA making the main routes for user friendly, as has been discussed here in the past. Make a friendler route map, more signage for time tables, bring some technology in for real time tracking at major stops. Slight improvements would probably take some of the &quot;fear&quot; out of using COTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it is in close proximity. Unless COTA changed things, the #1 makes several trip to the Polaris Area. Can&#8217;t remember how close it gets you. And the #18 gets you to Tuttle. </p>
<p>At this point I would settle for COTA making the main routes for user friendly, as has been discussed here in the past. Make a friendler route map, more signage for time tables, bring some technology in for real time tracking at major stops. Slight improvements would probably take some of the &#8220;fear&#8221; out of using COTA.</p>
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		<title>By: Central City Recording</title>
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		<dc:creator>Central City Recording</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought in the mayors letter to the Feds, he said that the plan was to move on the North Corridor as soon as the 3C was approved so that they could be ready about the same time.  Doesn&#039;t the North Corridor route include Polaris?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought in the mayors letter to the Feds, he said that the plan was to move on the North Corridor as soon as the 3C was approved so that they could be ready about the same time.  Doesn&#8217;t the North Corridor route include Polaris?</p>
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		<title>By: johnwirtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnwirtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Walker
Yeah, I could see people coming for several days wanting to do some shopping, but if they&#039;re coming only to shop, I doubt they&#039;ll take the train.

That means we need a good transit connection to Easton and Polaris.  Easton has the #16, which is okay, but could probably be improved with more direct routing, faster travel times, and more frequent service.  Polaris only has two reverse commute express trips per day on the #29.  So unless you plan to be at the mall from 8 AM to 5 PM, that won&#039;t work for tourists.  Maybe the #1 could be extended west, or the #2 north, but that ends up being a long trip.  I think we need some type of faster, high capacity, regional transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Walker<br />
Yeah, I could see people coming for several days wanting to do some shopping, but if they&#8217;re coming only to shop, I doubt they&#8217;ll take the train.</p>
<p>That means we need a good transit connection to Easton and Polaris.  Easton has the #16, which is okay, but could probably be improved with more direct routing, faster travel times, and more frequent service.  Polaris only has two reverse commute express trips per day on the #29.  So unless you plan to be at the mall from 8 AM to 5 PM, that won&#8217;t work for tourists.  Maybe the #1 could be extended west, or the #2 north, but that ends up being a long trip.  I think we need some type of faster, high capacity, regional transit.</p>
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		<title>By: joev</title>
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		<dc:creator>joev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Please. Do this already. 
This past weekend, I took the Greyhound from Columbus to Cleveland. My wife and I share a car, and she drove up eariler to attend a conference. The one-way ride cost $23 - roughly what a one-way trip from Columbus to Cleveland on rail is projected to cost.  It was a great value. And the bus was FULL!  If 3-C were in place, I&#039;d have taken it in a heartbeat. Once I was up in Cleveland, I spent the weekend walking and taking buses and light rail to various spots around town. Didn&#039;t get in the car until she was done with conference on Sunday and we went east to visit family. This is the kind of regional travel to Ohio&#039;s vibrant downtowns that the 3C could spur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Please. Do this already.<br />
This past weekend, I took the Greyhound from Columbus to Cleveland. My wife and I share a car, and she drove up eariler to attend a conference. The one-way ride cost $23 &#8211; roughly what a one-way trip from Columbus to Cleveland on rail is projected to cost.  It was a great value. And the bus was FULL!  If 3-C were in place, I&#8217;d have taken it in a heartbeat. Once I was up in Cleveland, I spent the weekend walking and taking buses and light rail to various spots around town. Didn&#8217;t get in the car until she was done with conference on Sunday and we went east to visit family. This is the kind of regional travel to Ohio&#8217;s vibrant downtowns that the 3C could spur.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;forums/profile/johnwirtz&quot;&gt;johnwirtz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; Says: 						I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see why someone would come here from Cleveland, Dayton, or Cincinnati to go to Polaris or Easton.   They have their own shopping malls.&lt;/em&gt;

I agree with you for the most part, but I think the thought is that for people who are already visiting or spending a few days here, shopping at shopping malls is something that a lot of people do for fun. They may not be the main reason for travel, but they will be something that many people will look to visit once here.

Both Polaris and Easton were built close to highways for mobility access, and they intentionally neglected bus, bike, and pedestrian access because the developers deemed all of that to be not as important. Once the 3C is up and running, perhaps they&#039;ll change their tune and look for better ways to get people from the Central City to their shopping centers. Developing new bus routes or light rail can only do so much when the developer doesn&#039;t want to cooperate. It&#039;s really their loss.

And speaking of loss... the North Corridor Light Rail line is still quite a few years out. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if by the time it&#039;s up and running, Polaris (and Easton to a less extent) is &lt;a href=&quot;the-past-present-and-future-of-retail-in-columbus&quot;&gt;no longer as attractive of a place&lt;/a&gt; as it is today. It&#039;s interesting that Tuttle wasn&#039;t considered as an example for easy access. That mall is only 12 years old, and it&#039;s pushed to the back of our minds.

Anyway, I&#039;m all for getting the 3C up and running first, and planning our next steps from there, whether it be Streetcar, Light Rail, Airport Tram, or more Regional Rail (Pitt-Cols-Indy line).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><cite><a href="forums/profile/johnwirtz">johnwirtz</a></cite> Says: 						I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see why someone would come here from Cleveland, Dayton, or Cincinnati to go to Polaris or Easton.   They have their own shopping malls.</em></p>
<p>I agree with you for the most part, but I think the thought is that for people who are already visiting or spending a few days here, shopping at shopping malls is something that a lot of people do for fun. They may not be the main reason for travel, but they will be something that many people will look to visit once here.</p>
<p>Both Polaris and Easton were built close to highways for mobility access, and they intentionally neglected bus, bike, and pedestrian access because the developers deemed all of that to be not as important. Once the 3C is up and running, perhaps they&#8217;ll change their tune and look for better ways to get people from the Central City to their shopping centers. Developing new bus routes or light rail can only do so much when the developer doesn&#8217;t want to cooperate. It&#8217;s really their loss.</p>
<p>And speaking of loss&#8230; the North Corridor Light Rail line is still quite a few years out. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if by the time it&#8217;s up and running, Polaris (and Easton to a less extent) is <a href="the-past-present-and-future-of-retail-in-columbus">no longer as attractive of a place</a> as it is today. It&#8217;s interesting that Tuttle wasn&#8217;t considered as an example for easy access. That mall is only 12 years old, and it&#8217;s pushed to the back of our minds.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m all for getting the 3C up and running first, and planning our next steps from there, whether it be Streetcar, Light Rail, Airport Tram, or more Regional Rail (Pitt-Cols-Indy line).</p>
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		<title>By: johnwirtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnwirtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why someone would come here from Cleveland, Dayton, or Cincinnati to go to Polaris or Easton.   They have their own shopping malls.  They&#039;ll come for conventions, business, state government offices, OSU, sporting events, and the unique attractions downtown that Liz listed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why someone would come here from Cleveland, Dayton, or Cincinnati to go to Polaris or Easton.   They have their own shopping malls.  They&#8217;ll come for conventions, business, state government offices, OSU, sporting events, and the unique attractions downtown that Liz listed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jergarr27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jergarr27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lizless: I don&#039;t consider Polaris or Easton more desirable. I for one am much more partial to what&#039;s inside the city than what&#039;s out of it. As far as all the places you mentioned in and around the Downtown area, as nice as those places are, some of those placed don&#039;t really offer a lot to do besides walk around and look at stuff. And some of those places primarily attract adult audiences. What about the young people who visit (14-25 year olds)?  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love the villages and the museum of art, Main Library etc..., but I don&#039;t know if I would consider those the kind of places that would make people want to keep coming back to Columbus over and over again. I look at it from a competition stand point. If you didn&#039;t live in Columbus, but was familiar with it, would you actively make it a point to come back here for an impromptu or even planned visit? Or would you go somewhere that may offer more because they&#039;ve been able to develop more as a city.  As far as transportation is concerned, Cota may be sufficient, and you may be able to get around by bike,.. but those options don&#039;t appeal to everyone.

I believe that Columbus is a great city with huge potential, but I can&#039;t help but to feel that we have a long way to go before we can really compete with other cities. Especially since we don&#039;t have any major natural attractions to compliment the city. 

All I was just saying is that I feel we need more on top of the great things that we have and hopefullly this 3C Corridor project will pave the way for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lizless: I don&#8217;t consider Polaris or Easton more desirable. I for one am much more partial to what&#8217;s inside the city than what&#8217;s out of it. As far as all the places you mentioned in and around the Downtown area, as nice as those places are, some of those placed don&#8217;t really offer a lot to do besides walk around and look at stuff. And some of those places primarily attract adult audiences. What about the young people who visit (14-25 year olds)?  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love the villages and the museum of art, Main Library etc&#8230;, but I don&#8217;t know if I would consider those the kind of places that would make people want to keep coming back to Columbus over and over again. I look at it from a competition stand point. If you didn&#8217;t live in Columbus, but was familiar with it, would you actively make it a point to come back here for an impromptu or even planned visit? Or would you go somewhere that may offer more because they&#8217;ve been able to develop more as a city.  As far as transportation is concerned, Cota may be sufficient, and you may be able to get around by bike,.. but those options don&#8217;t appeal to everyone.</p>
<p>I believe that Columbus is a great city with huge potential, but I can&#8217;t help but to feel that we have a long way to go before we can really compete with other cities. Especially since we don&#8217;t have any major natural attractions to compliment the city. </p>
<p>All I was just saying is that I feel we need more on top of the great things that we have and hopefullly this 3C Corridor project will pave the way for that.</p>
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