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		<title>By: BUSH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BUSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLANS PLANS!! We see what the city planners have done:
Circling downtown on one way, wrong way; perpetual nonsense; Allys and streets shut off.

I saw an overhead of traffic on the busiest night of the year -- less that half the streets being used.

The shut-off streets are for panhandlers--who would want to locate there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLANS PLANS!! We see what the city planners have done:<br />
Circling downtown on one way, wrong way; perpetual nonsense; Allys and streets shut off.</p>
<p>I saw an overhead of traffic on the busiest night of the year &#8212; less that half the streets being used.</p>
<p>The shut-off streets are for panhandlers&#8211;who would want to locate there?</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine that refers to any &quot;public&quot; residential units built. So students living in apartments or condos would probably count in those totals. If CCAD builds new dorms, I would guess that it wouldn&#039;t count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine that refers to any &#8220;public&#8221; residential units built. So students living in apartments or condos would probably count in those totals. If CCAD builds new dorms, I would guess that it wouldn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: ZHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow that is a pretty big difference in numbers Walker!
I interpretted the same way you did.

I also wonder if they included the students in that number, my impression is  they didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow that is a pretty big difference in numbers Walker!<br />
I interpretted the same way you did.</p>
<p>I also wonder if they included the students in that number, my impression is  they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/2010-downtown-strategic-plan-meeting-1-recap/comment-page-1#comment-97236</link>
		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick correction... I was informed that the &quot;getting the density right&quot; portion of the presentation was referring to residential units and not population as I had originally said in the recap above (just edited it for correction).

So the 5,700 10,900, 20,500 25,200 numbers are all referring to units. I was also told that the average person per unit is generally around 1.5, so that means 8,550 16,350 30,750 and 37,800 residents, respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick correction&#8230; I was informed that the &#8220;getting the density right&#8221; portion of the presentation was referring to residential units and not population as I had originally said in the recap above (just edited it for correction).</p>
<p>So the 5,700 10,900, 20,500 25,200 numbers are all referring to units. I was also told that the average person per unit is generally around 1.5, so that means 8,550 16,350 30,750 and 37,800 residents, respectively.</p>
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		<title>By: CbusIslander</title>
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		<dc:creator>CbusIslander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope this plan continues to evolve.  Look forward to future releases.  I will provide my comments on the surveys provided online. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope this plan continues to evolve.  Look forward to future releases.  I will provide my comments on the surveys provided online. </p>
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		<title>By: JRemy</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I am going to have to mark my calender for April 15th.  Hope to make the next meeting.  This is all so very exciting.  I hope whatever is discussed here comes to fruition.  Well, just the stuff I like anyway ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I am going to have to mark my calender for April 15th.  Hope to make the next meeting.  This is all so very exciting.  I hope whatever is discussed here comes to fruition.  Well, just the stuff I like anyway ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;forums/profile/jpunkster&quot;&gt;jpunkster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; Says: 						If we had an extra million people in Columbus proper that could work - IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a little less of an optimist on this one though.&lt;/em&gt;

This article made me think of your comment: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newgeography.com/content/001433-the-10-percent-solution-urban-growth&quot;&gt;The 10 Percent Solution to Urban Growth&lt;/a&gt;

A snippet: &quot;&lt;em&gt;The way to do this is to adopt the Ã¢â‚¬Å“10 percent solutionÃ¢â‚¬Â. That is, for most cities, they should develop a strategy that tries to capture somewhere between 5 and 15 percent of the net new growth in their metro areas. If a city can get more, great. But for any growing region, even 10 percent would create a dynamic of massive change in the urban core.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Might be worth a read.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><cite><a href="forums/profile/jpunkster">jpunkster</a></cite> Says: 						If we had an extra million people in Columbus proper that could work &#8211; IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a little less of an optimist on this one though.</em></p>
<p>This article made me think of your comment: <a href="http://www.newgeography.com/content/001433-the-10-percent-solution-urban-growth">The 10 Percent Solution to Urban Growth</a></p>
<p>A snippet: &#8220;<em>The way to do this is to adopt the Ã¢â‚¬Å“10 percent solutionÃ¢â‚¬Â. That is, for most cities, they should develop a strategy that tries to capture somewhere between 5 and 15 percent of the net new growth in their metro areas. If a city can get more, great. But for any growing region, even 10 percent would create a dynamic of massive change in the urban core.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Might be worth a read.</p>
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		<title>By: jungaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jungaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall, I think the meeting was a good start to the process. colrex7, you&#039;re definitely right though on the action and implementation steps that should follow the plan, especially for projects or improvements that aren&#039;t already in the pipeline. That matter didn&#039;t come up much, and it needs to in future meetings as ideas are prioritized. 

One of my big concerns is that if - sorry, when - downtown becomes a big success, a lot of people will get priced out.  Socioeconomic considerations need to be part of the planning. But when I had questions about issues like affordable housing, it just didn&#039;t fit in the current framework. The plan should include innovative tools such as bonus densities to encourage developers to include affordable housing or other community benefits, or leveraging of city-owned land (perhaps as community land trusts) to support small business or artists or mixed-income housing. Issues of the built environment and social considerations should go hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, I think the meeting was a good start to the process. colrex7, you&#8217;re definitely right though on the action and implementation steps that should follow the plan, especially for projects or improvements that aren&#8217;t already in the pipeline. That matter didn&#8217;t come up much, and it needs to in future meetings as ideas are prioritized. </p>
<p>One of my big concerns is that if &#8211; sorry, when &#8211; downtown becomes a big success, a lot of people will get priced out.  Socioeconomic considerations need to be part of the planning. But when I had questions about issues like affordable housing, it just didn&#8217;t fit in the current framework. The plan should include innovative tools such as bonus densities to encourage developers to include affordable housing or other community benefits, or leveraging of city-owned land (perhaps as community land trusts) to support small business or artists or mixed-income housing. Issues of the built environment and social considerations should go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew, all of the visuals are included in the PDF files at the top of the public-input &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/plan/public-input&quot;&gt;site&lt;/a&gt;. Specifically, those two images are on pages 2 &amp; 3 of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/docs/PublicMeeting1-Presentation-DowntownAnalysis(2).pdf&quot;&gt;this PDF&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew, all of the visuals are included in the PDF files at the top of the public-input <a href="http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/plan/public-input">site</a>. Specifically, those two images are on pages 2 &amp; 3 of <a href="http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/docs/PublicMeeting1-Presentation-DowntownAnalysis(2).pdf">this PDF</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: colrex7</title>
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		<dc:creator>colrex7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds great!
Wish I could have gone.


There should be more discussions on different ways to maybe fund new projects, like light rail and so forth. It is true that better mass transit will help bring new development.


I can&#039;t wait to see it happen, I am optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds great!<br />
Wish I could have gone.</p>
<p>There should be more discussions on different ways to maybe fund new projects, like light rail and so forth. It is true that better mass transit will help bring new development.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see it happen, I am optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;5 minute walk&#039; study is very interesting... seems like a great way of framing the problem.


Any chance we could see a larger version of that graphic (and the one above it)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8217;5 minute walk&#8217; study is very interesting&#8230; seems like a great way of framing the problem.</p>
<p>Any chance we could see a larger version of that graphic (and the one above it)?</p>
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		<title>By: jpunkster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpunkster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had an extra million people in Columbus proper that could work - I&#039;m a little less of an optimist on this one though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had an extra million people in Columbus proper that could work &#8211; I&#8217;m a little less of an optimist on this one though.</p>
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		<title>By: ZHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Walker
the amount of open space gives us a chance to design a city for the 21st and hopefully 22nd century unlike many of our competitors.
Lost of major metropoli have been decimated by catastrophe only to be rebuilt better than  they were before
San Francisco , Chicago and even New york have all had major periods of mass destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Walker<br />
the amount of open space gives us a chance to design a city for the 21st and hopefully 22nd century unlike many of our competitors.<br />
Lost of major metropoli have been decimated by catastrophe only to be rebuilt better than  they were before<br />
San Francisco , Chicago and even New york have all had major periods of mass destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^Good point - Haussmann tore down half of Paris in the 1800&#039;s, the Germans bombed London and we bombed both Berlin and Tokyo....  those cities seem to be doing OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^Good point - Haussmann tore down half of Paris in the 1800&#8242;s, the Germans bombed London and we bombed both Berlin and Tokyo&#8230;.  those cities seem to be doing OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;forums/profile/jpunkster&quot;&gt;jpunkster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; Says: 						ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s thoroughly depressing to see the ‘21 ‘51 ‘09 images side by side.&lt;/em&gt;

Initially, yes it is. But after the initial depression wears off you begin to see an enormous opportunity for new development.

I was studying some older European and Asian cities recently, specifically looking into how many times certain cities have been torn down and rebuilt, either due to disasters or due to intentional city planning projects. Some of our most dense urban areas in the world have been ravaged by fires, wars, and worse... and they still end up being rebuilt.

If we can look at Columbus on a much bigger timeline, I think that the parking lots are going to be looked back on as a &quot;failed 50 year experiment&quot; in the long run, and it will be nothing more than a small moment in our city&#039;s long history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><cite><a href="forums/profile/jpunkster">jpunkster</a></cite> Says: 						ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s thoroughly depressing to see the ‘21 ‘51 ‘09 images side by side.</em></p>
<p>Initially, yes it is. But after the initial depression wears off you begin to see an enormous opportunity for new development.</p>
<p>I was studying some older European and Asian cities recently, specifically looking into how many times certain cities have been torn down and rebuilt, either due to disasters or due to intentional city planning projects. Some of our most dense urban areas in the world have been ravaged by fires, wars, and worse&#8230; and they still end up being rebuilt.</p>
<p>If we can look at Columbus on a much bigger timeline, I think that the parking lots are going to be looked back on as a &#8220;failed 50 year experiment&#8221; in the long run, and it will be nothing more than a small moment in our city&#8217;s long history.</p>
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