Comments on: 200 Years of the Census in Ohio http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio News, opinions and reviews on all things Columbus, Ohio. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:01:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Tenzo http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97429 Tenzo Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:59 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97429 Back then working age was considered 14+ Back then working age was considered 14+

]]> By: subes222 http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97428 subes222 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:29 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97428 Yeah, if you look at things like Metropolitan population, which includes suburbs, I'm sure Cleveland is still tops. Yeah, if you look at things like Metropolitan population, which includes suburbs, I’m sure Cleveland is still tops.

]]> By: 500 Year Resistance http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97383 500 Year Resistance Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:28:05 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97383 To state that in 1810 that 99% of Ohio's population was white is, at minimum, disingenuous and at worst, completely racist. The CRP report dismissively accounts for the Native American population in Ohio at the time with one sentence: "The 1810 data for Ohio do not include a count for Native Americans because none were taxable resident, a criterion for inclusion in the 1810 Census". That is it. No further statistics, statement, estimates or consideration. Although this report is focused on comparing 200 years of Census data, to make such an insensitive, purposeful and dismissive omission about the people who held this land sacred for thousands of years prior to the genocidal theft of Ohio is a blatant disregard for accuracy.   Admittedly, historic Native American population data is not easy to obtain. However, on a quick trip to the Columbus Library, I was able to uncover enough data to make educated estimates on Native American populations in Ohio at the turn of the 19th century. Most population data comes in the form of battle counts. For example, during the turn of the 19th century Battle of Fallen Timbers, 2,000 warriors from the Delewares, Shawnee, Wyandots, Ottowas and Miamis participated (source: The Indian In Ohio by H.C. Shetrone). If it were assumed that this number accounted for, say, 50% of all adult males of warrior age, that figure could be applied to figure #3 in the CRP report and a total estimated population could be extrapolated. In this exceptionally conservative example, this would mean Native Americans would have accounted for 10% to 15% of the total Ohio population in 1810. That figure was likely significantly higher and I'm certain that someone spending more than the 15 minutes I spent researching this could provide a far more accurate estimate.   The history of Ohio did not start when the white thieves appeared on the land as this "99% of Ohioans were white" suggests. The years of occupation are only a tear drop in the history of Ohio. To state that in 1810 that 99% of Ohio’s population was white is, at minimum, disingenuous and at worst, completely racist. The CRP report dismissively accounts for the Native American population in Ohio at the time with one sentence: “The 1810 data for Ohio do not include a count for Native Americans because none were taxable resident, a criterion for inclusion in the 1810 Census”. That is it. No further statistics, statement, estimates or consideration. Although this report is focused on comparing 200 years of Census data, to make such an insensitive, purposeful and dismissive omission about the people who held this land sacred for thousands of years prior to the genocidal theft of Ohio is a blatant disregard for accuracy.
 
Admittedly, historic Native American population data is not easy to obtain. However, on a quick trip to the Columbus Library, I was able to uncover enough data to make educated estimates on Native American populations in Ohio at the turn of the 19th century. Most population data comes in the form of battle counts. For example, during the turn of the 19th century Battle of Fallen Timbers, 2,000 warriors from the Delewares, Shawnee, Wyandots, Ottowas and Miamis participated (source: The Indian In Ohio by H.C. Shetrone). If it were assumed that this number accounted for, say, 50% of all adult males of warrior age, that figure could be applied to figure #3 in the CRP report and a total estimated population could be extrapolated. In this exceptionally conservative example, this would mean Native Americans would have accounted for 10% to 15% of the total Ohio population in 1810. That figure was likely significantly higher and I’m certain that someone spending more than the 15 minutes I spent researching this could provide a far more accurate estimate.
 
The history of Ohio did not start when the white thieves appeared on the land as this “99% of Ohioans were white” suggests. The years of occupation are only a tear drop in the history of Ohio.

]]> By: colrex7 http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97363 colrex7 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:20:20 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97363 Yes, while the main reason for Columbus' growth is because the city has annexed land. And yes its unhealthy growth... But, It has made the city proper more populated, which has increased the tax base for the city, and moved Columbus to the top of the lists of largest cities in the U.S. This makes the city more eligible for federal money for projects and whatnot. It has definitely helped the city grow and compete with other cities. Now, Columbus just has to start focusing growth in the center. :) Yes, while the main reason for Columbus’ growth is because the city has annexed land. And yes its unhealthy growth… But, It has made the city proper more populated, which has increased the tax base for the city, and moved Columbus to the top of the lists of largest cities in the U.S. This makes the city more eligible for federal money for projects and whatnot. It has definitely helped the city grow and compete with other cities. Now, Columbus just has to start focusing growth in the center. :)

]]> By: michaelcoyote http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97357 michaelcoyote Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:19:46 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97357 Urbanboi: I wouldn't say that more area is "why we have more people".  I'd say that we have more people because we have more jobs here.  Nationwide, JPMC, Honda, Cardinal Health and OSU are all big employers and their jobs attract people here. CCR: Yep, at least in Columbus you can drive 25 minutes and get to countryside. I don't think that's possible in Cinci or Cleveland. Dayton you can go west and get out of town, but only if you know where to go.  Akron/Canton are almost suburbs of Cleveland. Urbanboi: I wouldn’t say that more area is “why we have more people”.  I’d say that we have more people because we have more jobs here.  Nationwide, JPMC, Honda, Cardinal Health and OSU are all big employers and their jobs attract people here.

CCR: Yep, at least in Columbus you can drive 25 minutes and get to countryside. I don’t think that’s possible in Cinci or Cleveland. Dayton you can go west and get out of town, but only if you know where to go.  Akron/Canton are almost suburbs of Cleveland.

]]> By: Central City Recording http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97354 Central City Recording Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:03:08 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97354 "Its all Sprawl in Central Ohio." It's true that Cincy and Cleveland have smaller city limits and denser cores, but there is WAY more sprawl around Cleveland and Cincy than Columbus!  The entire 75 corridor from Cincy to Dayton, from Cleveland east to Mentor or beyond, west to Lorain, south to Akron...  Our sprawl is pretty much contained to a mile or two beyond 270 then it gets pretty rural/small town. <a href="http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/profile/walker"></a> “Its all Sprawl in Central Ohio.”

It’s true that Cincy and Cleveland have smaller city limits and denser cores, but there is WAY more sprawl around Cleveland and Cincy than Columbus!  The entire 75 corridor from Cincy to Dayton, from Cleveland east to Mentor or beyond, west to Lorain, south to Akron…  Our sprawl is pretty much contained to a mile or two beyond 270 then it gets pretty rural/small town.

]]> By: Walker http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97350 Walker Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:25:40 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97350 <em><cite><a href="forums/profile/neobuckeye">NEOBuckeye</a></cite> Says: Columbus clearly continues to grow while the rest of Ohio’s major cities are shrinking, and dramatically so. Look at Cleveland! It now has less than half it’s peak population of 915,000. Youngstown and Canton at just under 70,000, meanwhile, are now barely larger than some of the state’s largest suburbs.</em> That is true, but one thing to keep in mind is that Columbus had the most aggressive annexation plans during those decades of decline. If we had kept the same pre-1950s boundaries, we would have suffered a population loss as well. Our boundary growth has allowed us to continue to grow as a city instead of lose those populations to the growing suburbs. It has been a bit of a double-edged sword though, so I agree with you that our population gains aren't anything that locals should be gloating about to the rest of the state. It's growth, but it hasn't been "smart growth". NEOBuckeye Says: Columbus clearly continues to grow while the rest of Ohio’s major cities are shrinking, and dramatically so. Look at Cleveland! It now has less than half it’s peak population of 915,000. Youngstown and Canton at just under 70,000, meanwhile, are now barely larger than some of the state’s largest suburbs.

That is true, but one thing to keep in mind is that Columbus had the most aggressive annexation plans during those decades of decline. If we had kept the same pre-1950s boundaries, we would have suffered a population loss as well. Our boundary growth has allowed us to continue to grow as a city instead of lose those populations to the growing suburbs.

It has been a bit of a double-edged sword though, so I agree with you that our population gains aren’t anything that locals should be gloating about to the rest of the state. It’s growth, but it hasn’t been “smart growth”.

]]> By: Urbanboi http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97347 Urbanboi Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:06:48 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97347 Columbus is probably triple the size in land mass of Cincinnati...Its more spread out here, thats why we have more people. If you got o Cincinnati or Cleveland it feels much larger than Columbus. Its all Sprawl in Central Ohio. Columbus is probably triple the size in land mass of Cincinnati…Its more spread out here, thats why we have more people. If you got o Cincinnati or Cleveland it feels much larger than Columbus. Its all Sprawl in Central Ohio.

]]> By: NEOBuckeye http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97334 NEOBuckeye Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:51:51 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97334 Columbus clearly continues to grow while the rest of Ohio's major cities are shrinking, and dramatically so. Look at Cleveland! It now has less than half it's peak population of 915,000. Youngstown and Canton at just under 70,000, meanwhile, are now barely larger than some of the state's largest suburbs. I know there are people who probably gloat at the rest of the state's decline and decay, but please believe that it's only good for us to the extent that the rest of the state isn't holding us back and dragging us down. Issue 3's emotionally-manipulated passage and the resulting obligatory casino in C-bus didn't do a lot to convince me otherwise. As a city, Columbus is ultimately at the mercy of a depressed state that is experiencing a paradigm of failure, defeat and collapse that counters our paradigm of youth, opportunity and hope. We're still vastly outnumbered. So then, can we spread what we are doing right to the rest of the state? Columbus clearly continues to grow while the rest of Ohio’s major cities are shrinking, and dramatically so. Look at Cleveland! It now has less than half it’s peak population of 915,000. Youngstown and Canton at just under 70,000, meanwhile, are now barely larger than some of the state’s largest suburbs.

I know there are people who probably gloat at the rest of the state’s decline and decay, but please believe that it’s only good for us to the extent that the rest of the state isn’t holding us back and dragging us down. Issue 3′s emotionally-manipulated passage and the resulting obligatory casino in C-bus didn’t do a lot to convince me otherwise. As a city, Columbus is ultimately at the mercy of a depressed state that is experiencing a paradigm of failure, defeat and collapse that counters our paradigm of youth, opportunity and hope. We’re still vastly outnumbered.

So then, can we spread what we are doing right to the rest of the state?

]]> By: Walker http://www.columbusunderground.com/200-years-of-the-census-in-ohio/comment-page-1#comment-97326 Walker Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:35:47 +0000 http://www.columbusunderground.com/?p=11097#comment-97326 I love looking through historical data like this. Will have to read through the full PDF later tonight! I love looking through historical data like this. Will have to read through the full PDF later tonight!

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